Talk:Metropolis of Kiev and all Rus'

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Kyiv spelling change

The article should be moved/renamed to reflect the city name's spelling change on Wikipedia--RicardoNixon97 (talk) 20:04, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that Metropolitan of Kiev and all Rus' be renamed and moved to Metropolitan of Kyiv and all Rus'.

result:
No consensus. See below this is going nowhere, so for now the status quo remains unchanged. Depending on the outcome of the RfC cited below, opening another move request might be an option; however, there should be no new move request until editors come to consensus about historical vs. modern usage in regard to "Kiev" and "Kyiv". Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 03:11, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Metropolitan of Kiev and all Rus' → Metropolitan of Kyiv and all Rus' – Kyiv spelling change, including in List of Metropolitans and Patriarchs of Kyiv by previous vote RicardoNixon97 (talk) 23:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC) —Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 20:21, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 03:03, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. The English exonym of the Ukrainian capital is now Kyiv, which is not a renaming, but a transliteration adjustment that is independent of any historical period. Kyiv#History/History of Kyiv refers to the city as Kyiv throughout its history in the same manner as Beijing#History/History of Beijing refers to that city as Beijing throughout its history. Thus, any historical articles containing the name of the Ukrainian capital within their main title headers should likewise use the form Kyiv. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The sources cited in the article use the spelling currently used in the title for the subject of this article. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Clearly dominated in sources, and clearly historical usage. @Roman Spinner, consensus is forming to retain "Kiev" in historical context, please refer to the on-going RfC discussion in Talk:Kyiv. Walrasiad (talk) 19:20, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Clear WP:COMMONNAME in sources. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:34, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support At least one 2018 source cited here two years ago uses metropolitan/metropolis of “Kyiv and all Russia,”[1] presumably based on Greek used in Istanbul. ¶ This article is unfinished, omitting events between 1686 and today: it is not a “historical article,” and doesn’t fall into the category currently being considered at talk:Kyiv for an exception to spelling following the main article Kyiv. (In 2018, the Ecumenical Patriarch declared the 1686 letter of issue void, and granted the Metropolitanate of Kyiv to the head of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, which remains disputed by the Patriarchate of Moscow. See 2018 Moscow–Constantinople schism for details about some of the missing material (and examples of more relevant sources that use Kyiv). ¶ And for WP:CONSISTENCY with related articles Kyiv, List of Metropolitans and Patriarchs of Kyiv, Patriarch of Kyiv, Archeparchy of Kyiv and articles disambiguated there, Bishop of Kyiv, Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kyiv Patriarchate, and articles in Category:Cathedrals in Kyiv and parent categories. ¶ (This is yet another example of why creating an exception to the normal spelling of Kyiv in supposedly “historical articles” is not a good idea. Inconveniently for our nostalgia for old spellings, history continues to proceed.) —Michael Z. 22:49, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: per WP:COMMONNAME. --K.e.coffman (talk) 18:19, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Orphaned references in Metropolis of Kiev and all Rus'

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Metropolis of Kiev and all Rus''s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Plokhy":

From Hedeon Balaban: Serhii Plokhy. The Cossacks and religion in early modern Ukraine. Oxford University Press, 2002. p79-83
From Andrey Bogolyubsky: Plokhy, Serhii (2006), The Origins of the Slavic Nations (PDF), Cambridge University Press, p. 42, ISBN 9780521864039, archived from the original (PDF) on March 29, 2017

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:02, 15 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]