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This page is very problematic. The way it was written one would think that the Davidians who took David Koresh to be the messiah, themselves had a messiah complex. The article needs some research. Also to say that anyone who sees himself as a savior has a 'complex' in the Freudean sense would mean that Moses suffered a neurosis. This might be true. I don't know. But it would require some third party sources. Otherwise, it should state that people who are deluded and have a mental illness have this complex. Certainly there are people who have saved companies, nations, etc. Steve Jobs saved Apple. Lee Iaccoca was the savior of Chrysler. Moses saved the Hebrews from slavery in Egypt. Not every person that sees themselves on a mission to save some entity has a complex, do they? If someone's interested they should do some research. Till then, maybe keep it to a minimum of original research. Redletternight (talk) 22:47, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

To associate Chosen people, List of messiah claimants, and Messianism with a complex is not NPOV and is in fact a statement of extreme POV. Messianism is a belief by people in the idea of messiah and is unrelated to narcissistic disorder. Similarly chosen people. Messiah claimants are a major tradition in Judaism. Please add to the article with citations rather than making vague insinuations using the "see also" category. Redletternight (talk) 11:59, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Saying that if we use every person in history as an example of some complex or another is arguable fine. If these people who saved others thought they weren't the person for the job, they never would have done what they did. Those people had to believe that they were, indeed the supposed savior of that group. The degree of the "delusion" can vary widely, if it is a delusion at all. All people have some complexes, to some degree or anothe, it's what makes up our personalities. Freud probably had a bit of a messiah complex himself, he created many psychological theories, explaining them, etcetera. He likely thought to be saving humanity from these terrible conditions. Lewis06593 (talk) 23:24, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Merge or re-direct to Grandiose Delusions

This article has serious issues; it needs further research and documentation, without which, in my opinion, it has no basis. The only source cited, the DSM, is cited solely on the pretext that it in fact does not contain any reference to the subject matter. Also, the second sentence is at best badly worded and at worst wholly unnecessary. I vote that this article should redirect to grandiose delusions. --Cantseetheforest (talk) 08:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This article is worthless. Redirect. --Penbat (talk) 18:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

AFAIK, it does not involve any delusions of power--90.179.235.249 (talk) 18:07, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Dark reflection

Are there any cases of the opposite happening, as in one thinking him/herself an Anti-Messiah? 74.75.248.191 (talk) 20:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Use of "Messiah Complex" in Scholarly articles including psychiatry

see http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&q=%22Messiah+complex%22&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= --Penbat (talk) 21:57, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Inri Cristo?!

Guys, saying as a Brazilian, Inri Cristo is just a poser, he doesn't take himself seriously, and surely dosen't seem to have a "Messiah Complex", although, obviously, love the attention he gets. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.209.61.152 (talk) 08:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Malcolm Hooper

The 'see also' section of this article has a link to the Malcolm Hooper article on wikipedia. My reason for removing it is that it seems likely that whoever put the link in this article did so only to disparage or criticize the person who was linked, rather than provide a truly aligned topic. Tjc (talk) 04:45, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Including a list of people with a Messiah complex

I removed the list of people with a messiah complex for a few reasons. First, much of it relies on opinion (especially since a Messiah Complex is not in the DSM), which for many of the people meant that it was sourced to an editorial or attack piece labeling that person as having a messiah complex (if it was sourced at all). There are obvious cases, such as cult leaders that repeatedly label themselves as the messiah, but most of the entries to this list were politicians. Second, except in the most obvious of cases, this could be seen as libel (note that the article was saying that the people had a messiah complex, not that "X claimed that Y had a messiah complex"). Third, we generally don't include such lists in medical articles -- there's no list of depressed people in the article on depression, for example. Finally, this list was a constant vandalism target and an attractive nuisance, and the article is better off without it. --Ahecht (TALK
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Messiah complex?

Psychs really need to give it up. I mean, what's wrong with feeling special and wanting to save the world? So everyone has to act and feel the same? Maybe most don't feel special, because maybe they're not, or maybe they're special in different ways, or maybe they do feel special in the sense of being the one to change the world and yet have lost confidence. If the latter is the case, then they will always feel different and special -- something like this won't just go away; after all, it's their calling, and no matter what they do to avoid owning up to their responsibilities, that feeling will still be there, nagging them deep within that there is something they must attend to, and that they are truly special and have a purpose. Some are meant to save the world; whether or not they succeed or end up getting in their own way (self-sabotage) is another thing entirely though. This world is messed up, and those with a "Messiah complex" can change it. I happen to like folks with a supposed "Messiah complex." Psychs have really gone crazy. I predict that soon the psych establishment will fall, and I also really hope it does. It's not trying to protect and validate people, which is what it should be doing, because everyone is unique and the psych establishment has the power to change society for the better when it comes to embracing uniqueness, though there is money to be made in pathologizing. It's seriously sick. Psychiatrists and everyone else in the mental health profession are mostly corrupt authoritarians and narcissists or sociopaths themselves. And whatever, everyone is different, but the thing is, they can be diagnosed by the same holy book, the DSM, and yet they aren't because they have power. It's the little guys that get abused and told they have mental problems. And you never know -- even the doctors themselves can be targeted by those even higher up who assign them their power. They'd better be careful. And therefore it's rare to see them ever challenge the status quo. For them to be given such power in the first place, they have to be corrupt in the first place. And it's a shame, because this profession could really help to empower folks who really do feel sick because of the sick society they live in. When do you ever see this happening, though? This profession is just about telling people they're the sick ones, even though there is little to no proof. Sad, sad, state of affairs when the people who can actually change the world never achieve their destinies because they believe they're the sick ones. Some are either born or made to be more sensitive to social ills than others, or naturally don't conform to what is imposed on them, and this is a fact. Don't worry -- you can all believe in yourselves, and if you have a "Messiah complex," remember that's a good thing and do whatever you can to achieve your goals. Save the world. Don't let anything hold you back. Leave the impression you've always known you were meant to make upon the world, and do so at any cost, because you are needed. If you know there is something that must be corrected in this world, then you are the one who must do it. You are special, and you can make it happen. Society has problems, and you are the solution. Be brave and remember that the time to act is NOW. 71.120.108.110 (talk) 17:36, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Delete!

This is an article of a pseudo-term: there is a psychoogical "Complex" and there is a "Messiah", someone here and there ironically combined them into "Messiah Complex". Now, why not a "Pippi Longstocking complex" or a "Napoleon complex"? Because combining words to noun clusters, whether frequent or not, doesn't make a term of them. This article fails on WP:NEO, WP:NOTABLE and WP:SYNTH – it should be deleted: praetere censeo articulum messiah complex esse delendam! Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 12:03, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

A Napoleon complex is a very real thing. Apparently it used to be such a popular affliction that the standard cartoon representation of an asylum inmate is a guy dressed up as Napoleon.

The actress portraying Pippi Longstocking in the 70s TV show once made the mistake of thinking she could jump off roofs like Pippi could, and she broke her leg. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:D458:C1B4:1AFA:842B (talk) 08:59, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Does a psychiatric condition only exist if it's in the ICD or DSM? Polymath uk (talk) 08:25, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Picture

Has the person in the picture been diagnosed with this complex? Nothing was said in the caption about his wanting to save anyone. NorCalJames (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the picture. Put it back if you disagree, or else find another one. NorCalJames (talk) 17:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)