Talk:Merlin Tuttle

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I have been modifying the page for Merlin Tuttle, including the addition of photos, external media links, added a notes section in addition to references, reformatted citations, added sections on early life, career, and subsections on the congress avenue bridge, Smithsonian project, and National Park of Samoa.

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Too many primary sources?

I don't understand the reason for this tag. The types of primary sources that could justify this tag, such as "trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents" are not used in this article. The only source that might fall under this tag is his self published CV? Is there any reason for keeping this tag? Or, should the three citations to his CV be removed? Sushilover2000 (talk) 16:36, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Possibly, who placed the tag.

I assume the problem is all the citations to works that were authored by Tuttle. If so, the most problematic statement is this: "He subsequently published several academic papers based on his research, as well as numerous books about bats (many of which are aimed at lay readers)." I see two problems here. One, is this WP:DUE? If no reliable secondary sources have noticed that Tuttle published these things, are they important enough to include here? Two, this looks like WP:OR to me. None of the cited sources says that Tuttle has "published several academic papers". Instead, a WP editor has drawn that conclusion by looking at the published papers themselves. GA-RT-22 (talk) 17:12, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick reply. The user page for Possibly says they are deceased. It is possible to cite Google Scholar, which lists over 5000 citations to Tuttle's work, but I don't see the point of that. Works in the primary scientific literature mostly go through peer review and are heavily scrutinized. With some judicious editing, I think that tag can be removed. Sushilover2000 (talk) 18:29, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Holy shit, I'm sorry to hear that. I guess he can't defend himself now. I have no objection to removing the tag. Ideally I'd like to see some other source not authored by Tuttle, like maybe a book review for the books, but I don't think that's strictly necessary. GA-RT-22 (talk) 20:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]