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image replacement

As requested, I replaced the former fair use image with a free one. 21 August 2006, 16:12 UTC, Boris Kaiser

Wrong numbers?

The edits from July 16 through July 26 changed a bunch of manufacturer's spec numbers without any edit summary or reference. Since one of those IP editors has been warned before for inserting incorrect information, perhaps someone who knows the correct numbers could check these edits for accuracy. - Special-T 02:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Generation Confusion

The W126 was the first generation, the W140 the second, the W215 the third, and the W216 (C216) the fourth. On the right, it starts from the 1998 W140 (The year they changed the naming to CL), calling it the first generation. Shouldn't the SEC be the first generation even though the naming was different? --mercedesbenz911 (talk) 03:14, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Volume of the engine is wrong

CL63 is V8, but not V12, CL65 is V12 yes possibly. Please change that artice to correct one because I'm unhappy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.142.54.66 (talk) 04:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article is correct as stated. The W215-generation CL63, of which 26 were built, contained a V12. The C216-generation CL63 contains a V8. In the future, I would recommend reading the article a bit more closely. Jagvar (talk) 16:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All I can say, is WOW! I love this car. It is the best of both luxury and driving. It handles better than any other car I've owned, including all those other German made machines. What a great ride! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebeccabyers (talk • contribs) 20:07, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hp

I readded hp unit. Otherwise it is useless to many from English speaking countries. UK and Australia use both hp and KW units. Canada and the US use hp unit. It's also poor faith to change units from the original edit. Socckee (talk) 11:20, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I did not understand why the other editor removed HP, nor did he explain. Thanks because I have no idea what a KW unit is, even though that’s how Mercedes indicates it in my manuals. Thanks again! — Spike Toronto 21:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Check Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Conventions. We use PS for European vehicles, because of the converter tools. PS means metric horsepower, which is different from Imperial measurements. The metric hp is smaller than Imperial hp, so the use of this unit would result in incorrect conversion. Anyway, the kW (kilowatt) is the SI-approved unit and the actual official power output. --Pc13 (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting. Mercedes biggest market is North America. Wikipedia’s biggest “market” is North America. Yet, we do not report a Mercedes engine’s power in a manner in which North Americans can understand. Why can we not additionally report Imperial Hp? Surely there is no harm in more, rather than less, information. Thanks! — Spike Toronto 21:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We can, it's just most of the hp data doesn't have the converter, it's written as text, and it shouldn't be. The way it was written, it was using metric hp values with the incorrect unit, which is why I changed it. It was lazy, but at least it was correct. Now, the US being Mercedes' biggest market and most users in the English Wikipedia being Americans is irrelevant. Mercedes-Benz is a German brand. If we combine all European countries, they outsell the US (the European market is considered a super-market, anyway, since there are European regulations that supercede national regulations - any car sold in one country in Europe can be sold in another). Every Mercedes-Benz model has more engine and transmissions options in Europe than in the US. Besides, WP:CAR has written guidelines on how to write car articles, we have had countless discussions, and we have reached several conclusions. If non-car people have issues with the way car articles are written, it's appropriate to bring it up on the WikiProject's talk page. (In fact, there's a discussion with non-car people regarding electric/hybrid vehicles going on right now)

As for Socckee, since you seem to be interested in writing about cars, you really should join WP:CAR. That's why I brought up the sales discussion and I invited your opinion. If you want to write about cars, you can see what other people have done, what guidelines we have, you can ask for help, you can propose changes... I'm not interested in edit-warring. I'm not as active on Wikipedia as I was four or five years ago, so I urge you to join up with like-minded people, see if you can improve our articles. Lots of them need improvement. I can't come here every day and check things unfortunately. Better to have someone who's willing to contribute and pick up the slack. --Pc13 (talk) 22:39, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So, if I understand correctly, if Sockee uses {{Convert}}, that would be okay? It’s used systemwide to ensure that Wikipedians in metric countries and in non-metric countries alike can understand the figures presented. Btw, North America is not just the U.S.: It also includes Canada … and we’re vast … few people … but vast!

— Spike Toronto

Not only that, the B-Class and S 450 SWB are available in Canada, and not in the US. So there! Canada wins! Ha! But, seriously, yes, the Convert template was created to handle measurements, from metric to imperial and vice-versa, across all Wikipedia, and the automobile articles just happen to use them a lot. --Pc13 (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good! So, if Sockee doesn’t add the info using {{convert}}, then I’ll come back and do it myself. As for the S 450 SWB, I would love to have one! I think it ingenious the way the lithium-ion battery pack is not under the car, or eating up trunk space, and is instead right up in the engine compartment like a good, old-fashioned car battery. I wonder if it will be available with 4matic? Anyway, after years of polluting the planet with a SL 600 and CL 500, driving a hybrid is the least one can do. Only, MB’s reliability has fallen so dramatically of late, it actually has us looking away from Germany … ’though, I guess one shouldn’t say that here!

— Spike Toronto 22:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks guys!Socckee (talk) 01:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just as an FYI, Germany has a very comprehensive wiki for all MB vehicles. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_C_216 Again w/o the bhp unit power ratings become unreadable to far too many.Socckee (talk) 01:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The bhp/hp unit isn't lawful in Continental Europe, so it isn't used in other languages' Wikipedia. Neither is the metric hp anymore, for that matter. Since 1992, official engine power ratings are in kilowatts, but the metric hp is historically widely known. See the horsepower article for more information. --Pc13 (talk) 11:23, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But, the good thing is that we can use the German site as a place to check that we have the correct kilowatts to enter into the convert function for displaying horsepower. Thanks! — Spike Toronto 16:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

W140/W215/W216 or CL140/CL215/CL216?

Can anyone explain why the article uses the W140/W215/W216 vehicle codes, yet the "Mercedes-Benz road car timeline, 1980s–present" graph at the bottom uses the CL140/CL215/CL216 codes for the same cars? This appears to be an error but i'm struggling to find out which is the right one to use. Thanks Jenova20 12:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Someone recently changed the article to 1992> despite the CL Class not technically existing til 98 so it's been undone. Explaining why that was undone if the person is reading. Thanks Jenova20 16:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ugly

C216 2010 is the ugliest CL ever... СЛУЖБА (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Mercedes-Benz CL-Class

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Incorrect C215 Production Numbers

Noticed that the article states production numbers of "(about 200 per year worldwide), 5.5 litre V12 Bi-Turbo CL600 (2003-2006)" and "limited production (196 total) 6.0 litre V12 Bi-Turbo CL65 AMG (2004-2006)" Both are incorrect as can be seen here: https://group-media.mercedes-benz.com/marsMediaSite/en/instance/ko/Production-figures-C-215-series.xhtml?oid=9361823

Production numbers for the CL600 in question were 2,255. Significantly more than the ~200 per year stated. A total of 777 CL65 AMG were produced the generation. Not sure if I should just edit the main article of if someone else would be better suited. Green Streak 1 April 2023 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Green Streak (talk • contribs) 05:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]