Talk:Melly Goeslaw

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Date	Process	Result
December 27, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 11, 2011.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that one of Indonesia's "most sought-after movie songwriters" started her career by writing about flatulence and sexual deviancy?

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DYK nomination

References

Nearly all of the references provided are by a single website. Reanimated X (talk) 06:25, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Jakarta Post is one of the foremost English-language newspapers in Indonesia. Wikipedia referencing standards suggest prioritizing English-language sources, so that means fewer than five newspapers and any English-language writer who has noted her career to work with for English-language sources. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:55, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're still not addressing the problem. You ought to use more than a single website as a source of citations, according to the Notability guideline, which is clearly not the case here. Reanimated X (talk) 07:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are five separate articles from the Jakarta Post, two from the Jakarta Globe (a separate newspaper), one from Rolling Stone Indonesia and one from an Indonesian celebrity news site. I fail to see how that is using a "single website". Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You might be using 4 different sources, but 95% of this article consists of material from only two websites - the Jakarta Post and Globe. I fail to see how that constitutes as "multiple" sources. Reanimated X (talk) 08:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hyperbole aside (Article minus lead is less than 7000 chars, RSI alone provides sourcing for 750... clearly more than 5%), winning a national award for songwriting as well as having two songs voted among the best ever by a leading music magazine are more than enough to satisfy WP:N. Regarding the "single source" issue, WP:RS does not define a source as being a single publisher, but a "reliable, published source"; i.e. a printed work. That would mean 7 sources from two publishers, with two other sources from different publishers. If you are concerned with the notability of the subject, you could try AFD. I'd expect it to be speedily kept. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Jezhotwells (talk · contribs) 20:46, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.

Disambiguations: none found.

Linkrot: none found. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:48, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Checking against GA criteria

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
In the first Indonesian Film Festival after a twelve year hiatus, which covered Indonesian movies from 2000 to 2004, This makes no sense at all.

After refusing to perform solo concerts many times because of creative differences, in 2009, Goeslaw held her first concert, Confusing, needs clarification

Her songwriting work has led to her being recognized as an intellectual property rights figure. What is this supposed to mean?

I made a number of copy-edits[1], please ensure that you get a competent copy-editor to assist you before further nominations.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Spotchecks on sources OK, sources support statements, no OR, sources are RS
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Good summary coverage
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
NPOV
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
Stable
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
No images used
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
On hold until 2 January for above issues to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:48, 23 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, all in order, listing as GA. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Only three prose issues? Not bad. I'll get right on it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:13, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've done the fixes, and have fixed a couple of mistakes / typos introduced with your copyedit. A couple questions:

I'm not a big fan of 'Whilst' (to be honest, it sounds rather old-fashioned). Any particular reason to replace 'while' with 'whilst'?
The source says 'popular', not 'successful'. There is a small difference between the two; for example, we could say that William Hung was successful, but his popularity would be up to debate as many of his "fans" liked him ironically.
I had deliberately left 'conventional' in double quotation marks as what is conventional in one culture / era will be completely different in another. Any particular reason for dropping the double quotation marks?

Feedback would be appreciated. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I accept your points, Whilst/While is a British/American difference. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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