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Kroc as founder
[edit]The stable version of this article lists Kroc as one of the founders, either without qualification or stating he was founder of the Corporation, for at least four years. Today an editor removed Kroc without consensus to do so. I have restored the version of the infobox that lists the brothers as founders of the original store and Kroc as founder of the Corporation. As this article is mostly about the Corporation, I think that's the right way to go, unless there is consensus to remove him altogether, Lard Almighty (talk) 18:44, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lard Almighty If Kroc is going to be listed as a founder on account of his role in the creation of McDonald's Corporation, it would make sense to list in the infobox next to "Founded" when said corporation came into existence. Emiya1980 (talk) 22:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2024
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The board of directors and sustainability information is outdated (by 3 years) and incorrect. I would like to update this information. Dagobertogilb (talk) 18:38, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:58, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
original McDonalds in San Bernardino
[edit]original McDonalds in San Bernardino is still there. it is a Museum now. it was not torn down as you described. 71.93.137.31 (talk) 03:36, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
globally noteworthy extremely super prominent controversy
[edit]The October 2024 outbreak is extremely prominent controversy. CWenger believes that it doesn't belong in the lede, because it's not sufficiently long in article, but I don't believe it's about the length of the matter. There's enough coverage about it, so much that there's an entire article about it. In accordance with WP:LEDE, this is a prominent controversy and I believe it's within the guidelines to have a sentence in lede. This is not a random food poisoning at one location, but multi-state outbreak garnering global media coverage. Graywalls (talk) 19:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for following WP:BRD. I believe this is a clear case of WP:RECENTISM. See for example the article on Chipotle Mexican Grill, which has had numerous food safety outbreaks, and still no mention of them in the lead. –CWenger (^ • @) 19:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @CWenger:, I don't believe any of them were of something that garnered worldwide coverage. WP:RECENTISM is intended to say articlds are not for reporting news, but that doesn't mean there's a mandatory waiting period. Graywalls (talk) 19:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just anecdotal, but I remember the 2015 Chipotle outbreak being a big deal. Obviously it's still early but even the 2024 McDonald's E. coli outbreak article is fairly short at the moment. If you imagine in a few years being asked to give a 2-3 paragraph summary of McDonald's to somebody who's never heard of them, I find it very difficult to believe this episode will be worthy of a mention, unless it expands significantly. –CWenger (^ • @) 20:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- But you find "treatment of employees" lead worthy? Length isn't the arbiter of significance. Graywalls (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's borderline, but one sentence summarizing a large section (which has a separate large article) is reasonable. –CWenger (^ • @) 21:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Again, it's prominence and significance isn't in word count. Graywalls (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you'll agree there is some correlation though. Another example, the Firestone and Ford tire controversy. This was huge; hundreds of people died. Still, it's not mentioned the lead sections of the Ford Motor Company, Ford Explorer, Firestone Tire and Rubber Company, or Bridgestone articles. –CWenger (^ • @) 23:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- but glossing over the WP:HUFFPOCON citation in lede for health effects. I am not sure why you're selectively removing this, but not the employee treatment thing. Can you elaborate the objective evaluation you used to declare this shouldn't be retained while retaining the employee treatment thing? Graywalls (talk) 00:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I saw the change, I disagreed, so I reverted it. I did not review the entire article. –CWenger (^ • @) 02:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- but glossing over the WP:HUFFPOCON citation in lede for health effects. I am not sure why you're selectively removing this, but not the employee treatment thing. Can you elaborate the objective evaluation you used to declare this shouldn't be retained while retaining the employee treatment thing? Graywalls (talk) 00:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Surely you'll agree there is some correlation though. Another example, the Firestone and Ford tire controversy. This was huge; hundreds of people died. Still, it's not mentioned the lead sections of the Ford Motor Company, Ford Explorer, Firestone Tire and Rubber Company, or Bridgestone articles. –CWenger (^ • @) 23:43, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Again, it's prominence and significance isn't in word count. Graywalls (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's borderline, but one sentence summarizing a large section (which has a separate large article) is reasonable. –CWenger (^ • @) 21:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- But you find "treatment of employees" lead worthy? Length isn't the arbiter of significance. Graywalls (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just anecdotal, but I remember the 2015 Chipotle outbreak being a big deal. Obviously it's still early but even the 2024 McDonald's E. coli outbreak article is fairly short at the moment. If you imagine in a few years being asked to give a 2-3 paragraph summary of McDonald's to somebody who's never heard of them, I find it very difficult to believe this episode will be worthy of a mention, unless it expands significantly. –CWenger (^ • @) 20:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, any reasonably large restaurant chain is going to have outbreaks like this from time to time. This does not merit inclusion.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 00:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, it would be RECENTISM to include this now. I have doubts whether this will still be considered particularly notable in a few years – but if it is, it's won't be too late to add it then, or once it becomes clear that this is a permanently notable occurrence. (It would be permanently notable if it shifts the course of the company, say by unexpectedly causing McDonald's to go bankrupt or by making them permanently remove onions from all their dishes.) Gawaon (talk) 08:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @CWenger:, I don't believe any of them were of something that garnered worldwide coverage. WP:RECENTISM is intended to say articlds are not for reporting news, but that doesn't mean there's a mandatory waiting period. Graywalls (talk) 19:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- (Here because of talk page notice.[1]) It should not be mentioned in the lead. It's hardly unusual for a food provider to have a safety issue. There's a lot of coverage right now because it's happening right now, but it's not a significant aspect of the article or the company's history. (The 1982 incident isn't even mentioned in the article, even though that resulted in changes to the company's food safety approach.[2][3]) Schazjmd (talk) 13:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Clean up tag
[edit]There are contents with unnecessary WP:REFBOMB where questionable quality sources like Business Insider are cited alongside reputable sources like USA Today and Reuters. The RSP reputable sources in those cases sufficiently support the statement while the lesser sources are not particularly adding any value to the article. Those should be removed. I have started clean up, but I think there's more to be done. Please do not remove the tag until explained here. Graywalls (talk) 03:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
More controversy
[edit]Can you add that McDonald's IS NOT GLUTEN FREE? 206.57.152.111 (talk) 15:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: That isn't really a "controversy", unless you have some sourcing that describes it that way. AntiDionysius (talk) 15:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Why would you think that they would be? Hamburger buns are made from WHEAT. Gluten comes from WHEAT. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 21:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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