Talk:May I Help You?

Requested move 2 November 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Since there are limited sources to determine common name, we go by the official name as reasoned by Amakuru. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 05:01, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

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May I Help You → May I Help You? – Official English title of the South Korean series per the network's English website [1] and per the series' production company [2]. Accireioj (talk) 08:43, 1 November 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 01:22, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

• Hi, the spelling that you propose is not used at all in the article - it's not even mentioned. Is there a reason for that? Dr. Vogel (talk) 11:01, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  There is a inconsistency in the English title presented on Amazon's Prime Video (where it is marked as Amazon Original) where the one without the question mark being shown as the title, while the question mark version is used in the title card images. – robertsky (talk) 11:10, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  Hi @Robertsky:! The series' original TV network (MBC) uses May I Help You? per their English website (link here). The series' production company (IWill Media) also uses May I Help You? per their website (link here). Accireioj (talk) 17:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  Hi! What do you mean by "not used at all in the article"? You mean the sources that I provided? Accireioj (talk) 16:59, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  What I mean is, you're asking to move an article to a new title. And in the article, the title that you are asking for is not used at all. Dr. Vogel (talk) 17:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  The only difference is the use of question mark. The sources on the article are mostly in Korean. The series' native title (일당백집사) can be translated to Ildangbaek Butler. This is common to South Korean TV series. For example: the native title of Narco-Saints is 수리남, which literally means Suriname. I hope this answers your question. Accireioj (talk) 18:09, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  The question mark is not used in the article at all. So I was asking you about that. Dr. Vogel (talk) 18:34, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  I don't actually know how to answer your question. I did not start/create the article, so I don't know why the question mark was not used. I just saw the English title used by the TV network and the series' production company. Hence, I am requesting the move with reliable sources. Accireioj (talk) 19:02, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  I'm not saying whether the title you propose is right or wrong. I'm saying that personally I feel uncomfortable moving an article to a title that the article itself doesn't claim that the title is, and in fact doesn't even mention that title. Dr. Vogel (talk) 00:53, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

  Additional sources for the use of question mark: articles from Forbes (link here) and Korea JoongAng Daily (link here). Thanks. Accireioj (talk) 18:12, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  Contest per Dr. Vogel. Also because official name is not always WP:COMMONNAME, this should be a requested move. -"Ghost of Dan Gurney" 19:35, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

  Hi @GhostOfDanGurney: The reliable sources that I found so far (see below) used both the titles—with and without question mark. So I believe we cannot apply WP:COMMONNAME for this. I requested the move since the broadcaster and the production company both used May I Help You? (with question mark).

Sources for May I Help You?

• Broadcaster (MBC) [3]
• Production company (IWill Media) [4]
• Forbes [5]
• Korea JoongAng Daily [6]
• HanCinema [7]

Sources for May I Help You

• IMDb [8]
• The Korea Times [9]
• SCMP [10]
• CNN Indonesia [11]

Accireioj (talk) 04:55, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

So what is your suggestion for people searching for the Barney & Friends episode? This appears to be a new TV Series, so it would be very hasty to assume that the kdrama will be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the Barney & Friends episode. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^(c/t) 13:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Disagree there, while Barney & Friends itself is notable, May I Help You? saw zero traffic this year until the Korean series' debut [12]; a hatnote would be more than sufficient. 162 etc. (talk) 17:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support - there aren't many sources out there it would seem (and the Forbes and IMDB entries above can be struck, because they're not reliable sources, being contributor-based), but it looks like it's roughly an even split so I'm inclined to go with what the production company and the posters say, absent other info. Also, it's more grammatical in English to include a question mark at the end of a question, again all other things being equal. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:12, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

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