Talk:Mauro Hamza

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Sources: http://www.media.rice.edu/media/NewsBot.asp?MODE=VIEW&ID=13028 http://usfencing.org/pages/3951 http://sallemauro.com/ I don't know how to do citations but there are enough sources there for legitimacy of the article and showing his significance as a figure in us fencing. This page does need more organization and information --Annom1234 (talk) 06:02, 27 December 2009 (UTC) another source from the houston chronicle http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/3366271.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asdfg89 (talk • contribs) 01:18, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of redundancies on this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.201.149.133 (talk) 13:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Please explain

Please explain - better than "not really" - why it is you are of the view that this is not correct. "Not really" is short of what I need to read to understand your rationale. --2603:7000:2143:8500:FC7B:594A:92FE:AB6C (talk) 01:03, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Being suspended and sued is not a "sports controversy" or a "sports scandal". Please see WP:CATDEF and WP:CATDD. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:29, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations

Editors, please ensure that allegations of criminal activity are not placed in articles unless that person is a public figure per WP:BLPCRIME. I considered the additions to be a violation of our biography of living persons policy, and sought a fourth opinion here. As result, the allegations have been removed from the article. While I have no ability to prevent you from doing so, be on notice if I see the same content added back to the article, I will notify an administrator. Read the response from Zaereth very carefully. Thanks. MaxnaCarta (talk) 02:11, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, now he's certainly a public figure, with the events of 2023, if being an Olympic coach for two different national teams wasn't already enough... though I gather some of his notoriety was oddly deleted in the past that went to his public figure status..--2603:7000:2101:AA00:754D:3FEC:1481:1A7D (talk) 09:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, allegations shouldn’t be included especially when no proof was available and it was all claims. 172.58.109.162 (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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There's no reason to hide his suspension. This is way beyond "claims." Asserted "rationale" is unavailing, and not in accord with wp policy. If anyone disagrees, let's bring this to a board or the admins .. rather than gaming the system. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:894B:9C69:E769:856B (talk) 18:43, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing wrong with including the suspension as that is only thing that is a fact. The allegations/case was never deemed factual or proven with any evidence. Only thing known based on sources made available online are that there were accusations that were never proven, the case was settled by the US Fencing Association, and that as a result the US Center of Safe Sport made Hamza permanently ineligible for membership. With this information, it is only fair to write what is in line with what everyone knows at the least, regardless of what others may believe as true or not. Hence why having the suspension on the page is acceptable as that is fact, but any mention of assault should be accompanied with the word alleged as that is what sources and documents indicate. 197.56.97.245 (talk) 01:36, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alleged is fine. Where there was no finding. But SafeSport made a finding. Its investigation is separate from the case you refer to. In the case, where it is an allegation, it should be described as such. But it's all supported as fact that he was in fact suspended, and what he was suspended for. We don't change the facts to say he was suspended for anything other than what he was in fact suspended for, which is clearly set forth by SafeSport. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:8D07:8725:2839:243B (talk) 08:14, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding suspension isn’t problem. It’s that you write down that he did what he was accused for when no one fully knows. Safe Sports’ information is seemingly no different than what the US Fencing Federation had before. All they had was the settled case to go off of. Therefore you can’t rightfully write that he assaulted/molested a minor without key word “allegedly”or “accusingly” beforehand.

Also out of curiosity, what is the importance of adding so much detail about this situation when as you agree, this is all alleged and seems to have been figured out by 3rd parties and not Hamza. 172.58.30.175 (talk) 09:19, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no issue here requiring the use of the admin tools; admins do not settle content disputes. There is no BLP violation here. You all need to arrive at a consensus as to what this article should say; if efforts to do so fail, you may move to dispute resolution. 331dot (talk) 09:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SafeSport took action 3 times. And there was one court case. There’s nothing that says these are all one incident. And SafeSport reached a finding certainly in the most recent decision. The fact that there was also a court case - that settled - is irrelevant to the SafeSport finding. Also, the nature of the basis for the SafeSport finding is clear. And quoted. You can’t properly be changing the quote to something other. That’s not just an editing dispute. That’s vandalism. There’s a reason all the admins and established editors have reverted the SPAs editing contrary to the RSs. I suggest you stop. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:78C6:F85C:3785:916B (talk) 08:40, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]