Talk:Maud Morgan (harpist)

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Theleekycauldron talk 05:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maud Morgan c. 1893

... that Maud Morgan (pictured) was the first ever American to perform as a solo harpist on the American concert stage? Source: NYtimes (freely available via Proquest with Wikipedia Library, The Brooklyn Daily Eagle, Time magazine
- ALT0a: ... that Maud Morgan (pictured) is considered the first American to perform as a solo harpist on the American concert stage? Source: Same as above
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Axel Downard-Wilke

Created by Xoak (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

X (talk) 21:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I'm afraid that that QPQ does not count, as a previous full review had already been conducted.--Laun chba ller 21:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Oh, okay. I'll review another in a few days~~. @Launchballer:, I hope this one counts? X (talk) 21:38, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed.--Laun chba ller 09:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - The hook only appears in the lead and not in the body of the article - I think this needs to be changed, per WP:LEDE

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: A really interesting person to read about! I think we would need to use ALT 0a, which better reflects the claims of the sources. The only query is on the hook not appearing in the body of the article. If you can add it somewhere appropriate, this is good to go. Mystery Merrivale (talk) 10:09, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mystery Merrivale: Done. Yes, let's go with ALT0a. X (talk) 11:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@X: That's great, ready to go with ALT0a. Mystery Merrivale (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Considered to be the first, sounds unsure but does reflect the uncertainty in the Time magazine source. Is there a possible hook that doesn't include "first"?Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk)

@Mystery Merrivale and Xoak: In light of recent brouhahas above "first" hooks, and especially considering the uncertainty of the source, I don't intend to promote either of the hooks, and as this has remained unpromoted for a month I suspect other promoters share my opinion. I would suggest devising a completely new hook. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AirshipJungleman29, Mystery Merrivale, and Xoak: Trying out some suggestions:

ALT1 ... that during a celebration of her 50 years as a harpist, Maud Morgan (pictured) was crowned with silver hair and seated on a golden harp?

Warner's bust of Morgan, 1880.

ALT2 ... that a bust of harpist Maud Morgan (pictured) is one of Olin Levi Warner's most celebrated works?

ALT2 of course would require the bust's picture to work, but that shouldn't be an issue since the image is licensed under CC0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fresh review needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:03, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 AGF fine, although for ALT2 I'm not seeing the phrase 'most celebrated' in the source or how it meets WP:DYKINT. I'd also quibble about the presence of refs in the lede, never mind the {{clump}}. My suggestion would be along the lines of 'that the leading American harpist Maud Morgan had to adapt piano lessons due to a lack of teachers'. I'm more bothered by the fact that Xoak seems to have stopped editing.--Laun chba ller 11:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xoak's userpage says they're on a wikibreak and will return in late August. I'm minded to close this.--Laun chba ller 08:39, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]