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Should be made more accessible to newbies. I recommend StuRat and 11 for the job.

                                                 My IP is not permanent. 202.79.62.14 01:58, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It took for me roughly 15 seconds to learn. Audriusa 09:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Laplace, and Taylor

Would be nice if these are replaced by full terminology with appropriate links. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding References

The unreferenced tag was removed - let me explain why it was added - all articles need references to avoid Original Research and this article is no different.Thge lack of reference or sources leaves me wondering why the article is on wikipedia - it does not seem to be suitable notable. Reference to external sites would solve this problem but, as I don't know much about the subject, I am not the suitable person to add them. Perhaps someone else could? michaelCurtis ^talk+_{contributions} 15:46, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As this issue seems to be more about the notability of the software I have added the notability tag. Gesslein - possibly you could see to this and add some sources and references per WP:NOTE michaelCurtis ^talk+_{contributions} 15:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added many external links showing Mathomatic is included with many operating systems and has been ported several times by people other than me. Could you please remove the notability tag? -Gesslein 10:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article needed?

I am not sure that this software is remarkable or well-known enough to motivate an article. It appears to be a ~~quite~~ very simplistic and primitive software (OK, I admit that a CAS is not easy to make, but still...), developed by a single person. To be honest, I think that even my own software AlgoSim II is more relevant for an own article. --Andreas Rejbrand (talk) 16:33, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the application is so primitive that it can hardly be used at all: it does not support functions such as sin, arcsin, ln, sqrt, etc., and this is a extremely severe limitation, indeed. In fact, it appears only to be able to work with rational functions, compute sums of these and solve first and second order equations, more or less. This is not a usable CAS. I will add some tag to the page. --Andreas Rejbrand (talk) 13:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, the article is written by the developer of the software... --Andreas Rejbrand (talk) 13:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I say let it be. The article is well-written and informative and is about a program available in many repos. Third party references are quite biased against highly technical topics so I'm willing to loosen normal notability under a common sense clause. Jason Quinn (talk) 02:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion proposed

This article is about a non notable software, as noted in the preceding thread. It is also WP:OR, as there is no mention of it in any reliable publication. For a computer algebra system, as this software pretends to be the minimum (not necessarily sufficient) is to have been presented in a computer algebra conference. This is not the case here. But the main issue of this article is to be unambiguously a self-promotional article, the author of the article being the author of the software. Therefore, I'll request a speedy deletion per criterion WP:G11. D.Lazard (talk) 18:33, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, mathomatic is an extremely efficient, lightweight CAS that is included with some distros like Cywin, Puppy linux, Damn Small Linux (?), et al. because it is so tiny.

It is non-commercial. Self promotional? Nah. I say do not delete it. I find it helpful - ok, I admit I have used it for a decade now. I like its minimal qualities and its small footprint. Perfect for live-cd distros etc.

Wod observer (talk) 01:57, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am an engineer with over 20 years of experience. Mathomatic is extremely useful for engineering, the sciences and mathematics. Any suggestion for deletion of this article should point out an applicable FREE open source replacement for this software, with a corresponding small footprint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.102.144 (talk) 19:08, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This page should not be speedy deleted because...

This page should not be speedily deleted because... ( 1) the program is useful and free 2) the Wikipedia page is educational 3) the author has exceptional insights into algebraic computation.) --Kaday moik (talk) 03:59, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I tried the program a few years ago, and at least then it was extremely primitive. If *this* software has its own Wikipedia article, then surely my own AlgoSim (www.algosim.se) should as well! --Andreas Rejbrand (talk) 11:32, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Andreas, I have developed new insights and advanced algorithms for algebraic manipulation since then and Mathomatic has greatly improved over the recent years. Try it again, you will be impressed. The documentation is much better, too. Won't you please try it again? -- George Gesslein II (talk) 12:36, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WTF? This program is a P.O.S. !!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.247.15.127 (talk) 05:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am an engineer with over 20 years of experience. Mathomatic is extremely useful for engineering, the sciences and mathematics. Any suggestion for deletion of this article should point out an applicable FREE open source replacement for this software, with a corresponding small footprint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.102.144 (talk) 19:09, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a directory of open source software. --Macrakis (talk) 19:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Mathomatic.org is about an accounting system Quick Books it uses Mathomatics as a brand

http://mathomatics.org points to a page with a Quick Books accounting system, it is not about Computer Algebra System. Maybe other company bought the domain, I did not saw some link about the system described in this article.

On the other hand, many Linux distributions have mathomatics. The first symbolic algebra system was written in Lisp, where it is easy to manipulate formulas because it is a language for symbolic computation. I have written, just as an experiment, a symbolic computations program in C, for that reason I searched mathomatics to see how it was written originally for MS-DOS in C, a very limited system in comparison to Linux and other unices. I don't do the kind of calculations that engineers are used to, to be able to rate its efficiency. I am not interested in using it. All the above blah-blah is to ensure you my neutrality about this article.

I don't see it as a promotional article, because it is not a commercial software.
I find it a very incomplete article.
It seems that the program is not maintained anymore unless it has moved to another site like github, gitlab, or alike, as many free software is.
Should it be removed? I think not, because one finds links to download it in many linux distributions and may want more information about it.
There are other Computer Algebra Systems. Wikipedia is not the contest arena for them or any others. Wikipedia should have comparison articles and a more complete describing article for each.
I found important to see that Mathomatics can be used as a workbench for LLVM.

If the author of Mathomatics is also the author of this article, please upgrade the information and links. May also write about how it was implemented with more detail on why it cycles LLVM, how it claims garbage, why it relies on memmove to cause such behavior (honestly I suppose that is caused by a semantic discrepancy of that library function, msdos is not Posix compliant)