Talk:Matchbox Educable Noughts and Crosses Engine/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 16:43, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

Immediate Failures

It is a long way from meeting any one of the six good article criteria -
It contains copyright infringements -
It has, or needs, cleanup banners that are unquestionably still valid. These include{{cleanup}}, {{POV}}, {{unreferenced}} or large numbers of {{citation needed}}, {{clarify}}, or similar tags. (See also {{QF-tags}}). -
It is not stable due to edit warring on the page. -

Links

refs need looking at - some are bare links Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:11, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 15:50, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not so sure, refs 10, 12 and 28 all look dodgy. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:04, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Since I've added some refs, ref 10 is now ref 12, but I don't see what's wrong with it. Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 11:23, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, was clarified on the Discord. Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 18:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
At least one has the |location parameter as the url. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:11, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 15:51, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Check for publication dates/authors Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:11, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lee Vilenski, All of them seem to be in order... I'm not sure which ones you have a problem with Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 16:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

Lede

MENACE was an - was this decommissioned? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lee Vilenski, I wrote this because MENACE is no longer assembled. I've begun addressing some of the other problems. Thanks, Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 20:35, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
games of noughts and crosses (also known as tic-tac-toe) - just say games of noughts and crosses, the alternative name is irrelevant. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 16:32, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The links in the lede, can we add to body? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 18:25, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Computer equipment was not readily available for non-government use, so Michie worked around this restriction by building it out of matchboxes. - what country is this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 18:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General

Link Donald Michie in body. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 16:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
beads.[1][5] (or beans)[6] - something is wrong here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 16:41, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
link noughts and crosses Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 16:43, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You go from Michie wanting to create a program to info on how MENACE worked. The construction para could probably just be placed between the two paras in origin. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 17:22, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
When saying a place, it is best to also include the country (so Edinburgh, Scotland.) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 17:25, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
made up of 304 matchboxes - made from 304... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 17:27, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tic-tac-toe is piped to noughts and crosses, which is a redirect to tic-tac-toe. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 18:06, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
as O, since all matchboxes represented permutations that only one playing as O could ever see. - what? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done, I think Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 08:52, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
probably don't need sections for playing and finishing the game, just one section head is fine. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 18:26, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
can we remove "reward" and "punish"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Lee Vilenski: What do you suggest they're replaced with? Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 11:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, Working... Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 18:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski: Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 16:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Is is "the MENACE", or simply MENACE? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 11:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This creates a stagnation. - this word does not mean what you mean. Try "stalemate". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 16:57, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
modern recreations and computer simulation could easily be the same section. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:09, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 08:51, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He chose Noughts and Crosses as it was a simple game with fewer potential board permutations than other more complex games. - is uncited. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:03, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Removed, couldn't find a source. Wiki Macaroons^Cinnamon? 11:15, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Review meta comments

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:43, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Placing on hold. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:11, 14 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]