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"well documented" six-month hospital

If the hospital stay was well documented, it should be easy to provide a reliable source for this [1] contested edit. Meters (talk) 09:01, 8 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Improperly cited commentary

In the Later Years section, it reads:

Unfortunately for Nolan, more stringent laws that expressly protected women from physical assault were not passed in the state of California until 1945, finally making it a felony punishable by up to ten years in prison.

First, the cite (the book Battered wives) given doesn't mention Nolan at all (per Google Books search), so we have no cited reliable sources that discusses Nolan in the context of then-future law that may have affected her situation. Second, this is a kind of speculative commentary where we making an assumption that a law, if it had existed earlier, would have somehow made matters different for Nolan. But since it didn't exist earlier, it didn't apply to the actual facts of her life. This frankly reads as an author's conclusion about what might have been, rather than strict encyclopedic text. On both counts, I don't think this content belongs, although I am open to other editorial interpretations. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 07:58, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have not checked if the reference was adequate, I only improved the Wikisource. If the reference does not support the claims we may need to remove the claim or to find a better reference (I have no objection to either). — Paleo Neonate — 08:27, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The high relevance of this information pertains not to Mary Nolan's "name", but to her highly publicized attempt to seek legal help for repeated physical assaults inflicted on her by Mannix. The term "domestic violence" did not exist at that time and the official, believe it or not, attitudes within the psychiatric community during the mid 1930's was that some women "liked it". Pointing out to the reader that laws created specifically to protect Nolan from physical abuse like this would not even go into effect in the state of California until 1945 creates a clear picture for the *modern* viewer (who can easily take this for granted) of just how bleak Mary Nolan's chances of receiving any sort of criminal or civil justice would have been during the 1930s in America. It allows the reader to view Nolan's legal situation in the proper context. - comment added by 108.178.115.3 (talk) 09:18, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That approach would be fine for an Op-Ed, but this is an encyclopedia, where we basically describe what happened, i.e., what happened in this person's life. Conjecture about what happened after maybe having helped the subject if it happened earlier might be add-worthy but only if reliable sources use Nolan as an example in the way you describe. Otherwise, it's just an editor's commentary. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 14:38, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Removal of mentioned religion

WikiEditor10245 removed the line "born into a Jewish family" as unsupported - and I agree. The information was added as part of an edit ""https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mary_Nolan&oldid=983720377"" but seems to be opposite of the cited articles. You can question the integrity of early gossip sheets, but this https://www.virtual-history.com/movie/page/10250 clearly describes her working in a convent - an unlikely destination for a Jewish girl in 1910. CMacMillan (talk) 00:56, 5 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]