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A fact from Mary Burt Messer appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 September 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Mary Burt Messer was researching and writing about the sociology of divorce as early as 1924?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Burt Messer.

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 15:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Mary Burt Messer in The Christian Science Monitor, 1924

... that Mary Burt Messer (pictured) was researching and writing about the sociology of divorce as early as 1924? Source: Eder, J. "Mary Burt Messer." In Colleen D. Hartung, ed. Challenging Bias against Women Academics in Religion, Women in Religion — Volume 2. Atla Open Press, 2021 (p. 29). https://books.atla.com/atlapress/catalog/view/46/186/742
- ALT1: ... that Mary Burt Messer (pictured) thought that the success of suffragist activism would lead to greater freedoms for women in families? Source: Eder, J. "Mary Burt Messer." In Colleen D. Hartung, ed. Challenging Bias against Women Academics in Religion, Women in Religion — Volume 2. Atla Open Press, 2021 (p. 27, 29). https://books.atla.com/atlapress/catalog/view/46/186/742
- ALT2: ... that as a Christian Science practitioner, Mary Burt Messer (pictured) aimed to heal the body and the body politic? Source: Eder, J. "Mary Burt Messer." In Colleen D. Hartung, ed. Challenging Bias against Women Academics in Religion, Women in Religion — Volume 2. Atla Open Press, 2021 (p. 36). https://books.atla.com/atlapress/catalog/view/46/186/742
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Created by Jaireeodell (talk) and Engmaj (talk). Nominated by Jaireeodell (talk) at 17:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Mary Burt Messer; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

An interesting historical article, moved to mainspace within a week of nomination (on the form you fill in to nominate an article, "Moved to mainspace" is one of the options -- this makes it a little easier to check something's eligibility if you select it) and long enough. I don't see evidence of any clear eligibility ruleouts (high % similarity to her profile in the Mary Baker Eddy Library, but this is from long book titles and a couple select phrases that couldn't meaningfully be rephrased). A QPQ doesn't seem to be necessary, though it's helpful to explicitly say how many DYK credits you have in the "Reviewed" section if you don't need one. Image is PD by virtue of age. Having said that, I have to query the hooks. ALT0 is the hook I intend to approve (ALT1 is a relatively intuitive extrapolation so lacks the "unusual" factor that tends to work at DYK; ALT2 is stepping into a hornet's nest), but the article gives no indication of this date, which is necessary to approve the DYK. Is there any chance you could rectify that? Thanks in advance, and welcome to DYK. Vaticidalprophet 18:45, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your notes on the DYK nomination process--I'm still learning how to do this. I have added the date 1924 to the paragraph that supports ALT0. The hook says "as early as 1924" because that's when the sources (The Christian Science Monitor and The New York Times) report that she was researching the topic. It is likely that she began studying it earlier than that. --Jaireeodell (talk) 14:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to approve ALT0. Yes, timelines do tend to be a little tricky like that :) There's a minor edit scar/missing word (While teaching this class in, Messer began researching), though from context it's easy enough to guess. (It may also be worth clarifying in the article, from the source, that being a "special student" at Vassar meant she wasn't enrolled/matriculated, but this isn't a DYK issue.) Vaticidalprophet 17:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching the error and for making the helpful suggestion! I have made the changes. -- Jaireeodell (talk) 18:35, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]