Talk:Martine Bedin

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Did you know... that French designer Martine Bedin compared her Super Lamp design to "a small dog that I could carry with me"?

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Super Lamp, 1981

... that French designer Martine Bedin, who as part of the debut collection of the Memphis Group, designed the Super Lamp which she described as "like a small dog that I could carry with me"? Source: “ Bedin was a founding member of Memphis in the 1980s, and one of the younger designers that found fame through the group, which has become closely associated with Postmodernism.
Memphis pioneer Ettore Sottsass, took the French designer under his wing while she was still a student and helped turn her whimsical wheeled designs into realised products.
Produced as part of the group's first exhibition, the Super Lamp was described by the designer as "like a small dog that I could carry with me".”
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Alt1... that French designer Martine Bedin designed the Super Lamp which she described as "like a small dog that I could carry with me"?
- Reviewed: Lesia Vasylenko

Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk). Self-nominated at 01:49, 14 March 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Interesting life and style, on good sources, French sources accepted assuming good faith, no copyvio obvious. The hook is a bit too complex: do we need French for a name looking French? do we need designer when the verb is designed? I'm not happy with "as like". We also need pictured, and - while the image is licensed - I believe that one of two such lamps looks more attractive. - In the article (only suggestions!): I'd like more lead and infobox. Most people will have to look up Memphis Group, and that name doesn't look Italian. - We get little early information about timing, but one ref says she was 23 when joining the Group, which should be said, and possibly used for a rough estimate of born when. - Also waiting for qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another question: why is the image acceptable? It seems to have been taken inside a museum, and may be a derived work that does not fall under freedom of panorama? —Kusma (talk) 16:12, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Taken inside a German museum? Well then it is in the public domain. Is it a derived work? Why is this relevant? There is no evidence that it is anything more or less than what it says it is. There are several alternatives in the article and at commons if there is substance to this enquiry. Victuallers (talk) 10:58, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All of the alternatives I can see have been either taken inside a German or inside an Italian museum and hence do not fall under freedom of panorama. All of these are clearly derived works and not covered by a freedom of panorama exception. The argument why this is free would need to say that this is not art, but an everyday object. Might work (and I'm not calling for anything to be deleted), but I would prefer clarity for an image that should go on the Main Page. —Kusma (talk) 11:26, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kusma:@Gerda Arendt: I can see that (Wiki's interpretation of) FOP is confused in Germany. These would be OK in the UK. A household light is an everyday object obviously (even though it is part of an art movement). However IMO the image is not essential to the hook. I think its unlikely that common sense will prevail here (more commons-sense?). Let's just go without a pic? Victuallers (talk) 20:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If we're sure on which side of the art/everyday object this one falls, it could actually be fine. But it's easier without the pic. —Kusma (talk) 21:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, both. Victuallers, do you plan to trim the hook a bit as suggested?

I approve the one given, but am open to variations. The prep builder can decide about the image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gerda. Added alt1 for brevity. @Kusma: If you can see a way to deal with image issue you raised then please do it. Victuallers (talk) 22:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

thank you, and I approve that one also, with a slight preference even. The prep builder can decide, - balance may be a factor for long or short. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it might be even more mysterious - so more attractive to click - without image. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 to T:DYK/P1 without image