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Requested move 7 August 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to make any change in particular at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 18:20, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Freeman (sailor) → Martin Freeman (Medal of Honor) – Not a sailor. Subject was a civilian employee at the time of the action which resulted in his receiving the award. A partially related RM is still unresolved at Talk:Harry Harvey (soldier)#Requested move 22 July 2018. Recent discussions on this general topic include Talk:Michael E. Thornton#Requested move 27 June 2018, Talk:Walter Anderson (GC)#Requested move 11 July 2018 and Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (people)#George Cross Disambiguation. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:49, 7 August 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 18:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: why not replacing "sailor" with his actual occupation rather than with an honorific title? 144.85.248.148 (talk) 18:02, 7 August 2018 (UTC).[reply]

As confirmed by entries under Category:Recipients of the Medal of Honor by branch of service and its most-populous sub-Category:United States Army Medal of Honor recipients, the overwhelming majority of those entries use the qualifier "(Medal of Honor)". Subject's notability stems from his award, not from his profession. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:12, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Much as I prefer "Medal of Honor" as a disambiguator, as a pilot he was definitely a sailor, civilian or not. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:52, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

While there may be difference of opinion as to its exact application in this particular instance, the lead sentence under Category:Sailors states, "This is the category of all persons who have spent part of their life as recreational or commercial sailors, meaning as crew on a sailing vessel or other vessel. It is not for sailors who have that title as members of a naval force." Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As a pilot he was undoubtedly a professional commercial sailor! And merchant and naval sailors are listed under the various subcats of Category:Sailors by nationality in any case. He was most certainly a sailor by any definition of the term. However, I do agree the article should be moved, despite those arguing against the use of an award as a disambiguator, so I'm saying Support. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:11, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Disambiguation should not refer to awards. If the award is his only notable quality, then its a WP:ONEEVENT situation and better suited for coverage in a "List of" article. -- Netoholic @ 20:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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