Talk:Marshfield station/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Steelkamp (talk · contribs) 14:04, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

I aim to finish this review on either Thursday or Friday. Steelkamp (talk) 15:17, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Good article criteria

Well written

• Metropolitan's main line. Maybe this whole phrase could be linked as it's not linking to main line in general.
  • "Main line" is such a generic term that linking to it would be an MOS:OVERLINK (indeed, it's a disambiguation page, which should never be linked directly); I feel that since this is a case the reader might expect the "main line" link to go somewhere more specific, but if you believe I'm giving our readers too much credit I can tweak the link. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:31, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

    Then use [[Metropolitan main line|Metropolitan's main line]].  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:25, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

    • Yes, that's exactly what I was initially arguing against above. It appears consensus thinks otherwise, though, so done. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 04:40, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

• I don't think "hand-thrown" is a phrase known by most people.
  • I've tried linking it, but I don't any article or link on either Wikipedia or even Wiktionary.
• East of the station, trains crossed over such that the northern tracks and southern tracks were each a bidirectional pair. This isn't clear. Particularly the phrase "bidirectional pair".
  • I've tried tweaking it, hopefully this is better, especially in the context of the following "Logan Square/Humboldt used the northern tracks, Garfield/Douglas used the southern tracks".
• Marshfield had two island platforms, one each between an inner and outer track. This might be a good place to mention the third platform rather than only mention it halfway through the paragraph.
  • Done; I also moved the pedestrian bridge stuff (see below) to that point.
• As originally opened, the Metropolitan's trains ran every six minutes between 6 a.m. and 6:30 p.m., and every ten minutes during the night; the average speed was 16 mph (26 km/h). This is referring to the main line frequency right?
  • It was on the main line and Northwest branch, which were the only two lines open at the time. I tried to make things clearer in that regard.

Verifiable with no original research

• a pedestrian bridge linked both "L" platforms and the CA&E platform. I may have missed it, but where in the sources does it say this?
  • If you look at the 1952 "L" map, you'll see a series of lines linking all three platforms, similar to what photographic evidence shows. For a clearer example on the map, see the bridges depicted for the stations in the Loop on that same map.

Spotchecks done for refs 36, 43, 44, 31 and 18.

Broad in its coverage

• Unlike the Lake Street Elevated, which operated cars for smoking at some times but not at others, all of the Metropolitan's motor cars allowed smoking.[11] Smoking was banned by the city across the "L" and in streetcars in response to a 1918 influenza outbreak, a prohibition that has remained in force ever since.[50] Nevertheless, the CA&E still allowed smoking as late as 1948, splitting its cars into smoking and non-smoking components. This should be removed as it has very little to do with the station itself.
• Same with the entire section on fares. It has very little to do with the station and results in unnecessary duplication of other articles.
• The streetcar stuff can be cut out too. I would just leave it as the following: A streetcar ran on the nearby Ashland Avenue by the late 19th century. Another one ran on Van Buren Street adjacent to the Metropolitan's tracks. Such streetcars were a competitor to the Metropolitan, siphoning many of its would-be passengers during the warm summer months as their cars were more open-air.
  • I condensed the fare stuff into the "Operations" section, replacing the smoking stuff in the process. As for the streetcar stuff, I kept a bit more information than you suggested but also trimmed it considerably.

Illustrated, if possible

• Both images are fine in terms of copyright and I'm glad there's alt text included.

• • @Steelkamp: Hopefully this resolves your concerns. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:50, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

General

• That graph is really wide. Can it be narrowed?
  • Is this better? I could go even narrower but I don't want to squish things too much. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:31, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
• Can comma separators be added to the numbers in the graph per MOS:DIGITS?
  • Done. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:31, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
• @John M Wolfson: The last thing I'll ask you is about the external link. What is GPS VIDEO. My thinking is that if its an amateur/fan video, it should not be an external link. Steelkamp (talk) 15:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
  • @Steelkamp: I think it's nice to have some video (especially in color) of a station that's been gone for half a century; it is, to loosely quote WP:ELNO, a unique resource that the article would not already include were it a Featured Article. My main concern with WP:ELNEVER is with copyright, but upon informaiton and belief (i.e., looking at the YouTube channel) I think GPS VIDEO is the actual copyright owner of the footage. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 15:27, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

    Ok. After reading WP:YOUTUBE, I think it's fine. I will pass the review now. Steelkamp (talk) 15:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)