Talk:Marquise de Créquy

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Anachronism ?

"If it is true, as some have claimed,[citation needed] that the story about the sale of the anthem is actually from a much later tabloid, then this anachronism"

Is there any base to prove this is an anachronism? When were her first Souvebirs printed? Did it contain this anecdote?

(BTW I have known this story about Lully composing the tune for many years, I'm Belgian...) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.143.210.240 (talk) 02:54, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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She is primarily famous not in herself
She was known for her literary culture and some writers talked about her long before her "memoirs" were published, Rousseau for instance.
the Souvenirs de la Marquise de Créquy, that were in fact written by Maurice Cousin de Courchamps in the early 19th century. We need some references here, because this is not a proven fact but just a very high probability. And it's more likely that Maurice Cousin had changed and edited some parts of her memoirs, not written everything from scratch.
the most widely believed in France, is probably her statement, with a full detailed story to back it up, that "God Save the Queen," the British national anthem, was in fact written by Lully This is so widely believed in France that I, as a french, has heard about it for the first time few minutes ago, reading the page about "god save the queen". I find the idea very amusing, even if I understand why british people don't want their anthem to do be linked to the anal fistula of Louis XIV. However, nobody knows where the "god save the queen" comes from, so, it's theory among others... Cheers. ps : by the way, this theory is not only "widely believed in France", the spanish article mentions it as well. And, unlike the french article, it's not mentioned as a theory. uuuso 15:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this! If you, as a French person, first heard this "widely believed story" here on Wikipedia, we do indeed need a citation for that statement. If it is not provided soon, I'll delete that phrase as well. Also it seems certain, as you suggest, that she did indeed write the memoirs.--LeValley 22:00, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

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She is primarily famous, however, not in herself, but because her life was used as a canvas for a long, highly detailed and circumstantial, and in spots very funny, set of apocryphal memoirs, the Souvenirs de la Marquise de Créquy, that were in fact written by Maurice Cousin de Courchamps in the early 19th century.^{[citation needed]} The work deceived many, especially among the French, but has been debunked as a very clever forgery.^{[citation needed]}

Like most successful lies, it is composed for the most part of truth.

Also very biased.--LeValley 21:30, 26 December 2010 (UTC)