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Using Public Trees with No Sources

I took this down.

His sister Janet Constable married Randell Etherington (died 29 October 1520), son of William Etherington and Alice Skerne. They were the ancestors of Amanda Staveley, an entrepreneur who was once engaged to Prince Andrew, Duke of York^[1]. Source [1]: [1]

The source is not accurate. It even states at the top of the page The following material on the immediate ancestry of Amanda Staveley should not be considered either exhaustive or authoritative, but rather as a first draft.
Also, there is no listing of this person anywhere else in the sources I have looked at:

Richardson, William & Everinham, Kimball G. Plantagenet ancestry: a study in colonial and medieval families (2004), pg 225.
Constable, Stirnet.com

Lady Meg (talk) 22:31, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This family association is listed on the LDS "Ancestral File," database, FamilySearch [2] : accessed 2014-07-13), entry for Janet CONSTABLE, father Robert CONSTABLE, husband Randall ETHERINGTON . I have been researching this family for some years, and agree that this relationship is not proved and is unlikely, as the database suggests Robert Constable had an unlikely 15 children. However, there is a case that Jennet (Janet) Etherington (b c 1470) was proabably related to the Constables, possibly a daughter of Sir Maramaduke. Her will (dated Oct 17 1540, proved York 1/8/1541) mentions property "in the hands of Sir Marmaduke the Younger", her third son was named Marmaduke, and the Etheringtons were a leading family in Holme on Splding Moore which was a principal residence of Sir Marmaduke. His will mentions only one duaghter 'my daughter Percy' and it is known that he had at least one other daughter. In 1558, Sir Marmaduke Constable the Younger transferred former monastic land at Cattleholmes, Lowthorpe to Jennet's son, William Etherington of Driffield (TNA E 134/38Eliz/East2 (1596) and E 134/38Eliz/Hil19 (1596)). In c1565, Jennet's grandson George Etherington married a grandniece of Sir Marmaduke, Agnes Constable, daughter of another Marmaduke. They named their eldest son Marmaduke (b 1566). None of this is conclusive, and not sufficient to be placed on the formal biography. But, it is worthy of note and further research. User:jc33a, 13 July 2014 — Preceding undated comment added 03:44, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.wargs.com/noble/staveley.html

Ancestry Tree

Do we need all of this? It's rather confusing and does not fit with the general ancestry tree. If you're going to do a tree -- just put the person, that's it. You don't need to go all the way back to his 10th great-grandfather. If you really need to explain all this put it in a section, not on the tree. Also, you don't need to put the link to a source in the box with the person. The link will show in the references section if it's done properly. -- Lady Meg (talk) 07:22, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

moved from the tree

16. Sir Robert Constable.For further back
see the Ancestry of Roger FitzJohn (aka Roger de Lacy)
(elder brother of (*) Robert FitzJohn (or le Constable) of Flamborough (died c.1216))

Greatx5-grandson of John Fitz^[a] Richard of Flamborough (c.1130–1190^[b]),
6th Constable of Chester
& Alice Filia^[c] Roger
(daughter of Roger Fitz^[a] Richard and Alice (Adeliza) de Vere)

Greatx4-grandson of
(*) Robert Fitz^[a] John (or le Constable) of Flamborough (died c.1216)
& Eufemia Tyson
(daughter of William Tyson & Eufemia,
and granddaughter of Adam Tison of Holme-on-Spaldingmore)

Greatx3-grandson of Sir William le Constable of Flamborough (before 1208–before 1267^[d])
& Juliana Deyvil [de Daiville]

Greatx2-grandson of Sir Robert le Constable of Flamborough (died c.1272)
& Lady Agnes^[e]

Instead of 4 generations some genealogies only have 2 generations between
Robert FitzJohn (or le Constable) (died c.1216) and Sir Marmaduke le Constable (died 1378).
Instead of having Robert-William-Robert-William-Robert-Marmaduke
they only have Robert-William-Robert-Marmaduke.^[f]

Great-grandson of Sir William le Constable of Flamborough (died c. 1319)^[g]

Grandson of Sir Robert le Constable of Flamborough (died after 1339^[h])
& Katherine

Son of Sir Marmaduke le Constable of Flamborough (died 1378^[i]) [married twice]
& Joan or Elizabeth

Some genealogies claim that a Sir William Constable belongs here.^[f]
This is incorrect. The will of Sir Marmaduke le Constable (died 1378)
states that his son and heir was Sir Robert Constable (c.1353–1401).
An extra generation does not fit here.

Notes

^ ^a ^b ^c Fitz = son of
^ Slain at Tyre in 1190 whilst on a Crusade to the Holy Land.
^ Filia = daughter of
^ One document mentions him together with his father in 1208, and another document of 1267 states that his wife Dame Juliana Deyvil is a widow.
^ A grant is given to Dame Agnes the wife of "Sir Robert de Flaynburge the Constable".
^ ^a ^b Burke 1836, p. 548^{[full citation needed]}
^ Involved in a law suit of 1298. Made a gift of land to the Abbey of St. Germanus at Selby on behalf of his ancestors Adam Tison, William Tison, William le Constable his grandfather and Robert le Constable his father.
^ Last appears in historical records in 1339 when he bought a mill and pasture in Flamborough.
^ Will proved 17 June 1378

These notes are not appropriate for the ancestry tree, better to add the information to the relevant articles. -- PBS (talk) 16:11, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

for further back than William Gascoigne, see Lundy, Darryl. "p. 15819 § 158181 , William Gascoigne". The Peerage. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)^{[unreliable source]}
(for further back than Agnes Franke, see Lundy, Darryl. "p. 15819 § 158182 , Agnes Franke". The Peerage. {{cite web}}: External link in |publisher= (help)^{[unreliable source]}

Two more comments moved to the talk page as they may be of use to someone who wants to develop the ancestry tree, but they are not suitable for inclusion in article space.

[1] ttp://www.wargs.com/noble/staveley.html

[son-2] Fitz = son of

[3] Slain at Tyre in 1190 whilst on a Crusade to the Holy Land.

[4] Filia = daughter of

[5] One document mentions him together with his father in 1208, and another document of 1267 states that his wife Dame Juliana Deyvil is a widow.

[6] A grant is given to Dame Agnes the wife of "Sir Robert de Flaynburge the Constable".

[GB-7] Burke 1836, p. 548^{[full citation needed]}

[8] Involved in a law suit of 1298. Made a gift of land to the Abbey of St. Germanus at Selby on behalf of his ancestors Adam Tison, William Tison, William le Constable his grandfather and Robert le Constable his father.

[9] Last appears in historical records in 1339 when he bought a mill and pasture in Flamborough.

[10] Will proved 17 June 1378

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