Talk:Marko Popović (basketball, born 1982)

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Why the part that he is a son of Serbian Petar Popovic is removed? Also his name in Serbian Cyrillic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.223.7.88 (talk) 12:50, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've just checked, even in this article in Croatian language writes that he is a son of Serbian... who was born in Kraljevo (city in central Serbia). Who is controling this English section and deleting facts? What are you trying to hide? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.223.7.88 (talk) 12:53, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This kind of behaviour is exactly why the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy exists. It has been linked several times now, and you still haven't seem to read it. Wrongly attributing a living person's nationality or ethnicity is clearly an issue of libel. If that's the case, just by discussing this we are exposing Wikipedia to legal liability.

If a claim is true, then it will be trivial to provide a reliable source for it. And, if it even needs saying, another Wikipedia entry is simply not a reliable source, because anyone can edit it.

As for the Cyrillic spelling, that just doesn't make sense - even if the above claims that both his father and him are Serbs are true, it still doesn't make sense to quote his name in a foreign alphabet, especially in English-speaking context. If the spelling doesn't actually help the reader, it doesn't make sense to include it. For example, in the case of people from Serbia, it's included for the sake of completeness but also because it can help a subsequent search for more information. For people from Croatia, where Latin is used, that isn't the case by default. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 21:31, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is not foreign language but native language and script for Marko and his father. For many famous Serbs there stand next to their name how it is in Serbian Cyrillic. Also, why someone removed that he is Serbian ethnicity? Previously stood that he is a son of famous Serbian basketball player and nowaday coach and now someone has removed it. Why? What are you trying to hide? Nuts, unfair and sick. Shouldn't wikipedia be objective? Also, Joy you as a Croat know that you overthere try to Croatize Serbs. Don't do that in wikipedia too. 93.87.177.44 (talk) 12:43, 7 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, once again, let's get back to the basics. Provide just one single reliable reference that supports this claim, and it'll be back in the article. There isn't really anyone here who is "out to get you", and there is absolutely no reason for name-calling. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here are links which writes about that Marko is a Serb roots and a son of Serb basketball player Petar Petrovic, so use google translate or moderators from Serbian or Croatian sector to help you to write some articles CORRECT! For once!

http://www.mozzartsport.com/vesti/1273/popović--nisam-mogao-da-verujem-šta-mi-govori-saša-Đorđević/

"rekao je uzbuđeno momak rođen u zadarskoj porodici srpskog porekla." - "said excitingly the guy born in Zadar's family of Serb origin".

After all, go and ASK him PERSONALY coz he is alive.

Down there is the talk of Marko and Serb legend basketball player, Aleksandar Djordjevic.

Add back that he is Serb origin and a son of famous Serb basketball player Petar. Add back Serbian Cyrillic: Mарко Поповић and stop that redicilous Croatian propaganda which kept Croatizing Serbs.79.175.95.78 (talk) 22:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

What you quoted and linked doesn't seem to be an actual quote from Popović or Đorđević, but editorializing from this web site Mozzart Sport; the video interview was in English (on Eurosport) and they certainly mentioned his father, but said nothing about their ethnicity. Indeed, from the listed names of his brothers in the same article, Ivan and Luka, that actually matches a typically Croatian children naming pattern -- but that's also my own inference and I won't put that in the article, either. Please read Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:28, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you are so illiterate, sorry to say. Ivan (i.e. Ivan Grozny - RUSSIAN) is so typical "Croatian name. Luka (Lucas) is so typical international name with thousands of Serbs having it. But the fact his kids might be half Croats (coz of his wife, maybe, dunno is his wife Serb or Croat), doesn't change the fact that his father was Serb! It is well known fact. He was famous player of Zadar. They are Serbs. You can keep this article fake. Hope Marko can get you on some court for faking facts. Hope he will do it! Also you as a Croat is so irrelevant, so objective and not a person to authorize this. You Croats always make those "Croatizing" of Serbs. You have tried to do it with Serb scientist Nikola Tesla, fortunately Wikipedia could not allow you to do it so lock it! And you as a Croat know that Petar Popovic his father was pure Serb. Don't fake facts!109.121.12.238 (talk) 23:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As this Joy is a Croat who tries to fake facts, I will add for him some sources in Serbian (Croatian) which he will understand. http://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-el/Разговор:Петар_Поповић_(српски_кошаркаш)

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:o6r_bJFCfSEJ:www.leksikon-yu-mitologije.net/read.php%3Fid%3D5228+popovic+petar+kosarka+srbin&cd=10&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=opera Petar Popovic je Srbin, kao i vecina igraca Zadra. Petar Popovic je inace poceo da trenira kosarku u Kraljevu... otac mu je bio vojno lice.

http://www.057info.hr/vijesti/2011-04-06/20-godina-od-prvog-teroristickog-napada-na-grad-zadar Među demoliranim i opljačkanim lokalima i kućama su i:

I PRIVATNI LOKALI SRBA:

6. POPOVIĆ PETAR, košarkaš "Zadra", kafić "TAJMAUT", uništen,

As Marko's father, also famous basketball player and coach, Petar, was a Serb, his cafe "Timeout" was destroyed along with other Serb proprety in Zadar as Zadar, after all as whole Croatia is very anti-Serb (in 1991. in Croatia lived 13% of Serbs, today just 3%... ethnical cleansing!?). If he is a Croat, like this Croat Joy tries to fake, why his cafe was destroeyed along with other Serb cafes and propreties in the town?

Try not to fake well known fact! Marko Popovic is a Serb along with several other people who play from your team. Also things that international names Ivan and Luka are Croatian... please, do not be so illiterate! So funny!109.121.12.238 (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, you continue to rant and link to obviously unreliable sources - and finally one source that explicitly talks about the person in ethnic context has appeared in the pile, a story that makes things explicit, but it's still just a user-submitted comment to the news story, so we can't use it in the article. You appear not to have read any policy links I've listed already, have continued to assume bad faith where there is none, and acted in an incivil manner to a person trying to help you. I'm done with this kind of discussion and will remove it. Does anyone else see any reason to keep these personal attacks on the talk page? --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:22, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After 10 more minutes of googling, I found a decent source that confirms the father's origin. There was a lot of forum talk, granted, but that doesn't mean proper sources can't be found. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making this article more fair, thou the fact thier cafe "Timeout" was blown up by Croats, coz they were Serbs is not mentioned. Why such obvious and known facts of living people need months to come out as a truth. Whole ex Yugoslavia knows Petar and Marko Popovic are Serbs,77.105.54.55 (talk) 12:30, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because what is "obvious" and "known fact" to one person is not necessarily so for the rest of the world. Do read Wikipedia:Verifiability. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 18:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After all discussion and solving problem, what vandal has removed the traces about Marko's Serb origin, even deleted whole "early life" section?77.105.30.3 (talk) 15:06, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All this Serb ethnicity and name in Cyrillic letters is incredibly silly, imagine every entry for Americans on Wikipedia, each and every one of them would have to have his ethnicity pointed out except native Americans. So yes Marko is partially ethnically a Serb, who cares? Also the part about them being harassed with the notion it was taken out of silly Croatian news media whose former owner was assassinated(mafia connections) and the company was taken over by Austrians ages ago is completely incorrectly translated, it says the caffe was smashed(not blown up) in 1991 after Serbian terrorists killed a Croatian police officer which caused an uproar among Croats and that after that the caffe worked perfectly fine until the war(Serbian aggression on Croatia) became too much to handle and they moved to Zagreb in 1994. Basically it was Serbian shelling of the city of Zadar that made them move to Zagreb, not hostility of local Croats!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.17.23.174 (talk) 22:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]