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America's top 25 orchestras

America's top 25 orchestras

Is there an official definition of these?

--AlexanderLondon 00:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The phrase is bandied about, but I can't find an "official" list. One suspects that this has to do with size of endowment, besides prestige and history. If you wanted me to put an "unofficial" speculative list, the cities would run, in no particular order (without official names): (1) Boston, (2) Chicago, (3) Cleveland, (4) New York, (5) Philadelphia, (6) San Francisco, (7) Los Angeles Philharmonic, (8) Seattle, (9) Dallas, (10) Houston, (11) Saint Louis, (12) Minnesota Orchestra, (13) Cincinnati, (14) Atlanta, (15) National Symphony (Washington, D.C.), (16) Baltimore, (17) Pittsburgh, (18) Colorado Symphony, (19) Milwaukee, (20) Detroit, (21) San Diego, (22) St. Paul Chamber Orchestra, (23) Los Angeles Chamber, (24) Buffalo, (25) New Jersey Symphony.

If anyone else sees this, I'm sure there will be happy disputes on it. Thanks, DJRafe 18:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did see this as well. The problem with "(18) Colorado Symphony" is this the orchestra she came from in 2005. The article states that her post at Baltimore makes her "the first female Music Director of one of America's top 25 orchestras." Logically, this simply means that Colorado cannot be one of America's Top 25 Orchestras' to the disdain of many a Coloradoan. --Parkerjl 04:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No official list of top 25 orchestras. And the term the media used was "major American s.o.'s," not top 25. The symphony orchestra industry does not rank their orchestras, so major and "top" are purely subjective. However, some objective criteria which may be used to make a judgment as to what is "major" include: budget size, size of orchestra, number of weeks in an orchestra's contract. Baltimore is ahead on all of these counts. But it doesn't really matter how you slice it: Alsop was head of the Colorado Symphony long ago. She's first and she's fantastic. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/arts/music/11tomm.html?_r=1&scp=3&sq=marin+alsop&st=nyt&oref=login —Preceding unsigned comment added by Virginiaisforlovers (talk • contribs) 04:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discography

What a great promoter of music! I've heard her guest conduct She's great.

Someone make a discography!Dogru144 (talk) 15:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "discography" that just got added sounds much more like material drawn from a publicity release of some sort; WP discographies are generally nothing more than bulleted lists. I'm no good at doing that formatting but I'll suggest that someone who knows how should convert this, and remove all the prose. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 17:18, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think her conducting is rather plebeian. A big problem is her career is a great example to women conductors while her actual execution "confirms" for sexist individuals that "women just can't conduct." Gingermint (talk) 05:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hagiographic tone

I removed the PR-like text about Alsop's Baltimore time, as it is totally inappropriate for wikipedia. The purpose of wikipedia is to present "just the facts" and not be a PR-machine for a group or person. In addition, I removed the list of orchestras she has guest-conducted, because every conductor guest-conducts various orchestras and it is not important information for any given conductor. DJRafe (talk) 02:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also Alsop is actually the second woman to lead a major orchestra. Not sure who is entitled to grant an orchestra the "major" title, but Joanne Falletta was named conductor of the Buffalo Symphony before Alsop's ascension. Therefore, I believe Alsop should be listed a "second," though my edit reflecting this was reversed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bt10ant (talk • contribs) 11:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Tommasini of the NY Times speaks directly to this point in the article linked below:

"When I, along with other reporters and critics, made this point [ie, first woman to assume leadership of a major American orchestra]in covering her appointment ..., there were howls of protest from loyal supporters of JoAnn Falletta, the music director of the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra since 1999. But with all due respect to Ms. Falletta and her adventurous orchestra, from an industry perspective — in terms of budget, location, schedule, touring, recording and other factors — the Baltimore Symphony is generally viewed as a major American orchestra while the Buffalo Philharmonic, however fine, is not quite." Moioci (talk) 22:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Gay

I don't understand the attitude of Wikipedia editors concerning the ignoring or downplaying of many subjects' sexual orientations even when they themselves choose to be "out". As a reference, I give this page from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/arts/music/11tomm.html?pagewanted=2

This should be added to the Alsop page unless it is felt that the N.Y. Times is not "notable" enough! And, yes, this should be added to the appropriate categories. Ed (talk) 11:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks mostly like an essay, but I can add the stats :). Airplaneman ^talk 17:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Suppose that the subject's sexual orientation had been a heterosexual one. Would that deserve to be mentioned? 109.158.3.108 (talk) 11:03, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Osesp European tour

Marin Alsop did not take Osesp on its first European tour ever. They have visited and performed in Europe several times with John Neschling prior to Alsop taking over the reigns. --Emile Myburgh (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Pointless

'their relationship provoked controversy' - why say it without saying what the controversy was? 109.158.3.108 (talk) 11:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MacArthur

Perhaps she was the first symphony conductor to receive a MacArthur Fellowship, but Ralph Shapey (Contemporary Chamber Players) got one way back in the mid-1980s.Roger.Lustig (talk) 18:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bernstein - Future Mentor in 1989?

The article mentions that Alsop "met her hero and future mentor" Leonard Bernstein, in the context of having won the Koussevitsky Prize there in 1989. There wouldn't have been much of a future, as Bernstein was dead by October of the following year. How long was Bernstein actually Alsop's mentor, or in other words, when did she first encounter him? It's unclear. Jsteeber (talk) 13:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]