Talk:Marilyn Saviola

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A fact from Marilyn Saviola appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 January 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Marilyn Saviola, a polio survivor, attended Long Island University classes remotely by telephone from her hospital ward?

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:00, 15 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that Marilyn Saviola, a polio victim, attended Long Island University classes remotely by telephone from her hospital?~~ Source: ... enroll as freshman at Long Island University where they "attend classes" three times a week through a special intercom-telephone hookup between the hospital and the school.

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2009 Lenox Industrial Tools 301
Comment: Open to alternative ALTs, Penny Richards likely can wordsmith better than me!

Created by Penny Richards (talk) and ~riley (talk). Nominated by ~riley (talk) at 05:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC).[reply]

New enough, long enough, hook interesting, in article and followed by inline citation of a reference with hook fact. QPQ done. Reads well. Copyvio- only official names highlighted. No image. References okay. Thank you. Whispyhistory (talk) 10:10, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: .. that Marilyn Saviola, a polio survivor, attended Long Island University classes remotely by telephone from her hospital?

Just one word changed. Saviola survived polio; a "polio victim" would best apply to someone who did not.Penny Richards (talk) 14:59, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ticking what appears a sensible change. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:28, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 04:45, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is quite short but I'll take this up. epicgenius (talk) 04:45, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Prose and coverage

I'll just review the entire prose portion in one shot.

The article is generally free of copyright violations, except for proper nouns. Also, is there a better way to rewrite this: was inducted into the New York State Disability Rights Hall of Fame?

@Epicgenius: What are we trying to achieve rewriting this? Need to know the context to rewrite it well. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~riley, this would be to reduce copyright violations, since that is word-for-word from the source. It's ok if you can't do so. epicgenius (talk) 02:32, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Modified. ~riley (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead is only one sentence. I'd suggest expanding this to at least two.

Modified two, likely will grow further in future but also trying to paint my house this week

. ~riley (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On July 13, 1945, Saviola was born in Manhattan, New York - why link "New York" and not "Manhattan"?

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

to Peter Saviola and Camilla 'Millie' Saviola - Can this be moved to the next sentence? E.g. " Her parents Peter Saviola and Camilla 'Millie' Saviola, who had no other children"

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Saviola contracted polio at the age of 10 in August 1955 - this reads awkwardly. What about "in August 1955, aged 10"?

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I know my family never accepted it, totally didn't, and always thought of it as if I prayed enough, and they were good enough, they said enough novenas or whatever, and if I believed enough, I would be cured. - This is almost long enough that it should really be a blockquote instead, per the guidance at MOS:BQ. However, I don't think you need to write out the entirety of the second part of the quote. It detracts from the main point that Saviola's family believed that there was a way to be cured.

@Epicgenius: Might have to walk me through this one... Is this what you meant? ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~riley, I suggested that you can possibly shorten the quote. Yes, that's what I meant. epicgenius (talk) 02:31, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gotcha, was mainly concerned about the comment about detracting from the main point and if the modification had addressed that. ~riley (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

at LIU, when they were both students - Do you mean "when", or "where"?

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The first paragraph of the career section:
- Too many sentences begin with the word "she". Could you mix it up a little by actually mentioning her name?

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- The first two sentences also sounds somewhat like a timeline of her jobs. Do you have any other details of her roles?
In 2015, she received the Henry Viscardi Achievement Award for her lifetime of work in disability rights - this should probably go with the mention of the 2017 award.

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Her fellow speakers included Sandra Schnur, Maria Nardone, and Frieda Zames - who are they?

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

She was honored in 2019 at the opening of a new radiology unit in the Bronx, - How was she honored? Also, do you know where in the Bronx (was it a hospital or private practice)?

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 08:03, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The personal life section is basically just her death. No kids, no partner?

Added info on partner, extremely limited. No mention of kids. ~riley (talk) 07:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

An oral history with Saviola - of her life?

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Where's the Bancroft Library?

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

POV

I don't see any POV issues, seeing as this is such a short article. It may be more focused toward her occupation, though. epicgenius (talk) 05:02, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Ref 11 is publicly accessible, and doesn't need to use ProQuest. See https://www.nytimes.com/1997/04/29/nyregion/woman-sees-advances-for-the-disabled-imperiled-by-budget-cuts.html

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Independence Care System, NYC Health + Hospitals, etc. should be formatted as publishers, not as websites. Website formatting would result in an output of italics.

Addressed. ~riley (talk) 02:22, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Images

The one image used in this article has a good non-free rationale, given that the subject of the article is deceased. epicgenius (talk) 04:45, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

Just these few comments and we should be set for a green plus sign.

Also pinging Penny Richards, who (while not the nominator) seems to be a significant contributor. epicgenius (talk) 05:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will be starting on this tomorrow. Thanks for the work so far @Epicgenius:. ~riley (talk) 20:03, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~riley, no problem, take your time. epicgenius (talk) 00:21, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius:, are we all set here? ~riley (talk) 08:03, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I just had a second look at the article. I don't see any more issues, so will be passing this shortly. epicgenius (talk) 15:54, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]