Talk:Marilyn Manson/Archive 2

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EXTERNAL LINK TO THE MARILYN MANSON WIKI

Would you please put "Marilyn Manson" on The Marilyn Manson Wiki as a lot of the content from this page has been "borrowed" from Our site. Thank you (Godspeed88 (talk) 12:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC))

Greek Language

hi, i just want to mention that there is a greek article for marilyn manson but i cant add it because this article is locked please add [ [el:Μέριλυν Μάνσον]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.4.196.208 (talk) 13:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

she is lesbian

"they've had 3 albums debut in the top 10"

and that supposedly includes the two #1 albums - Golden Age Of Grotesque and Mechanical Animals, meaning that both of these debuted at #1, or at least in the top ten (and I'm quite sure they both debuted at #1). And then, yeah. Antichrist Superstar(by making this album he is officially a crazy ass fuck that is also called a mas murderer) debuted at he got his ribs removed to suck his dirty wet slimy hairy cock #3, Eat Me, Drink Me at #8 ... so really hasn't he had FOUR albums debut in the top ten, or??? Cheers62.107.24.213 (talk) 18:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC) bla b la bla

Eminem?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.90.10 (talk) 02:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC) are there any references to him being manager of eminem? if there is (which i don't think is correct), could someone reference it? (1/21/08) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.244.99 (talk) 01:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

They have collaborated: MTV Eminem and Marilyn Manson including a duet at the Reading festival. If people think that's sufficiently significant to go in the article lets work up a paragraph here first ϢereSpielChequers 21:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

yes, but he was never his manager, as it stated in the statement that I took down Nateberly (talk) 19:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

in the tv and film section i think it should be recorded that mr. manson appeared in eminems video "the way i am" and was referenced in the song itself, "blame it on marilyn, and that heroin"----

Political orientation

Just out of curiousity, what makes him a liberal? There's is not one mention in the article of him holding any political ideology whatsoever. Treybien 0:33 20 December 2007 (UTC)

open mindedness

Not everything is either conservative or liberal. There are other political orientations. If that's the only reason, then that's no good. Zazaban (talk) 04:50, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

As said in: http://www.mansonusa.com/interviews/?by=era&view=hw/mm2000talkmag Manson is a conservative/republican. Ha favors Bush and hates Liebermanand licked geoge washingtons anus hole. Thats conservative, especially his song "God's, Gun's and Government". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.112.100 (talk) 02:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Umm, there is no Gods, Guns and Government, if you are referring to The Love Song, he said himself it is his outrage at Conservative Middle America. Just listen to the majority of his music, esp. The Beautiful People and The Fight Song. He may not like liberals but he is no conservative, he is probably a radical socialist or authoritarian. I'm socialist, and I get pretty angry at liberals. Besides thats an old article and licked abramhams lincons lower cheek. Lordbamyan (talk) 20:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh and its written by an uber-conservative.Lordbamyan (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

he was referring to the guns,god,and government tour and documentary.and i think its hilarious that people say he's conservative or republican.theyre just trying to send this false question in to someone's head,and make them go away from manson.he might not be a liberal,but his image,music and lyrics are definantly not representative ofa conservative fuck these people that dont know what they're talking about

Manson clarifies his feelings vis-a-vis Bush and Republicans in this interview: [1] 67.191.153.112 (talk) 16:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

In the Guns, God and Government DVD he calls Bill Clinton a Communist. Not sure if that helps shed any light on the situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.57.116 (talk) 21:46, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

i'm pretty sure when he was on david letterman, manson stated that he was conservative. now keep in mind, just because someone is conservative, doesnt mean they are a republican or support bush. look at rush limbaugh, hes highly conservative, but hes not a republican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.201.146 (talk) 22:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Personal life is wrong=

"Manson and Asia Carrera, a popular American Porn star, started dating on Manson's 35th birthday (March 6, 2004), and Manson proposed three years later on March 8, 2004. On January 5, 2007 (court documents say December 31), the couple were married in a non-denominational ceremony at Aaron Spelling's house in Beverly Hills, Los Angeles, the home of entertainment mogul, Aaron Spelling. The wedding was officiated by sexy celebrity, singer and writer Holly Vallance.[13] They reportedly exchanged vows in front of approximately 4.000 guests, including Pamela Anderson, Kid Rock, Ron Jeremy, Jenna Jameson and Pierce Brosnan. Guests were invited to participate in sex party, S&M and Nudity in the days following the wedding. The wedding pictures appeared in the March 2006 edition of Vogue under the heading "The Bride Wore Purple"."

3 years after march 2004, isn't march 2004! and I was never aware that he married Asia Carrera!? Any one have the skills to sort this all out, with refs and other shite?  Doktor  Wilhelm  17:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

- if im not mistaken, there was a recent divorce with him and Von Teese? --99.244.209.222 (talk) 05:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

This man should be ashamed. With such talent and he has to act satanic and be so negative socially and present himself as an emotionally disturbed individual. Not something I would want my children growing up with. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.155.213.70 (talk) 11:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Try to show to tolerance to other lifestyles. Just because they view the world different than you does not make them emotionally disturbed. Zazaban (talk) 22:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Umm... Dite Von Teese was the bride that wore purple.. Marilyn Manson never married anyone called Asia Carrera it was Dita Von Teese. :D fuck

charles manson

was not a "serial killer". he was never actually convicted of the direct murder of anyone. he was an accessory to murder. he is not in the same category as jeffrey or ted. Spoilermdc (talk) 03:16, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha, nice try. How about no.--66.75.48.94 (talk) 21:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Charles Manson actually was convicted of the murders themselves. --Bentonia School (talk) 09:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect. Charles Manson was convicted of Conspiracy. FYI.--- It doesn't stick. (talk) 05:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

He is still considered to be a mass murderer, this is dumb. Although Manson was did not directly participate in the murders, he was convicted of murder in the first. and never married anyone but his on hole and im talking about the tiny one degree. Htgrgwwew (talk) 18:46, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

HIS HEIGHT!

Although, he states in his autobiography that he is 6'3", his mugshot says that he is 6'1" so somebody needs to edit that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rand0mguy1234 (talk • contribs) 15:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

external links

Can somebody update links and put there link for polish official fan-club mansonpl.com ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shivastm (talk • contribs) 12:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Why is Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids site listed before the Official Site? - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.77.199.140 (talk) 03:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

"Marilyn Manson Trilogy Series, Research and Documentary"

This seems like ordinary spam for a commercial release, not a relevant or interesting website for any onformation about Manson. Litso (talk) 15:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah and where is MansonUSA on the links list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.153.182 (talk) 13:50, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Charles Manson was convicted with the murder of Shorty Shey. 64.45.255.67 (talk) 15:08, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Early life.

 Not done - no references ϢereSpielChequers 21:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

He was expelled from Heritage Christian school rather than him transferring out. Also he attended, and I do believe graduate from, Glenoak High School. Someone should have called the schools, and verified this information themselves, as well. Anyway, I said enough. Special:Contributions/PoetTwist (18:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I have heard he has quite a high IQ - possible around 200, but I can't find a source. Anyone know if this is true, or just a rumour I heard? Whippen (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

There's no way in Hell that Manson's IQ was 200. Gacy was the smartest in the band and he was 150 at best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckdich1 (talk • contribs) 07:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

You idiots do know that Albert Einstein only had an IQ of 160. I highly doubt Marilyn Manson is smarter.

Woah, no need to shout at them, not everybody in the world know einsteins IQ, besides, i think marilyn manson will have a high IQ, hes quite smart, i mean, Have you heard any of his songs, he uses some complicated words, like Tourniquet, come on, who knows what that means! He obviously does.

I just found out from a very reliable source that Marilyn Manson invented the question mark. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.80.136.188 (talk) 03:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to add a little not here, Manson's use of the word Tourniquet is actually not correct. He's on the right track, and seems to have a basic understanding, but his usage just isn't quite right.

He wasnt expelled from heritage christian school he left. They didnt expell him a majority of the people that went there were poor and couldnt pay the fees and stuff and he was amongst the ones who could pay so they put up with his crap untill he left. Autobiography people??

Mansinthe

 Done ϢereSpielChequers 20:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Currently, the "Mansinthe" section just contains a short negative blurb, probably insufficient to sustain a separate heading on its own. A history of Manson's interest in the drink, as well as a more balanced treatment (including positive showings such as at the recent San Francisco World Spirits Competition) could be a start for justifying retaining "Mansinthe" as a separate section. Otherwise, it should just be given a brief mention elsewhere.... perhaps in a section separating non-music endeavors from the main "Biography" heading.--68.222.26.206 (talk) 04:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

In the section on Mansinthe it should be mentioned that it was named as one of the 5 best absinthes by Esquire magazine, a prestiguous magazine. This contrasts with the included opinion of other reviewers. The source is: http://www.esquire.com/features/drinking/absinthe-0808 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.136.5.62 (talk) 03:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you think we should also cite Esquire's positive review of the drink? http://www.esquire.com/features/drinking/absinthe-0808 ... honestly, the negative review included sounds like it's from someone who didn't know to mix it with water and sugar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaynegryn (talk • contribs) 13:11, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Lack of coherence

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8077246.stm

apparently the chap is having trouble being coherent. Are there more references to his potential mental state?

Noserider (talk) 13:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !

 Done ϢereSpielChequers 21:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)

• "asbadaspiss" :
  • {{cite web|url=http://www.side-line.com/news_comments.php?id=29319_0_2_0_C|title=Marilyn Manson absinthe 'as bad as piss' say critics + official site spreads malicious software|work=Side-Line.com|date=2008-02-18|accessdate=2008-02-19}}
  • [http://www.side-line.com/news_comments.php?id=29319_0_2_0_C Official Mansinthe site spreads malicious software]

DumZiBoT (talk) 15:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Surname

 Done ϢereSpielChequers 20:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC) Why is Manson referred to throughout as "Warner"? He's commonly known as Marilyn Manson, not Brian Warner. Compare this to Cary Grant, who is referred to throughout as "Grant", not "Leach". --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 01:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I've absolutely no idea. I've heard some people refer him as 'Warner' when they're talking about him in a highly disapproving way, but that's about it. Zazaban (talk) 01:50, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.100.90.10 (talk) 02:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC) There are rumors that Edgar Likes Roxanne

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Lozer69 (talk • contribs) 02:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Is there any particular reason this article refers to him as "Warner" throughout? Obviously, that's not the name he chooses to go by; you don't see David Bowie or Bob Dylan consistently being called "Jones" or "Zimmerman" on their respective pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Q11105G (talk • contribs) 02:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree, using "Warner" detracts from the article. "Mason" would better reflect the subject. Bendav (talk) 11:34, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree that using Manson would be easier than using Warner, but usually people read the top before they read he rest so, they would know it was him...

I've changed it as per the above discussion. If anyone objects please discuss it here before changing it. ϢereSpielChequers 16:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Manson graduated from GlenOak High School NOT Cardinal Gibbons High School!

There is some information contained in the article which is is WRONG, but since it is locked, I cannot correct it. Marilyn Manson graduated from GlenOak High School in Canton, Ohio in 1987. He never attended, nor graduated from, Cardinal Gibbons High School in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. He didn't move to South Florida with his family until AFTER his high school graduation! 74.73.193.253 (talk) 13:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a reference for that? ϢereSpielChequers 20:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't have the book with me but you can find that information in his autobiography "The Long Hard Road Out of Hell." I do remember reading that he didn't move to Florida until after he graduated high school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.66.52 (talk) 04:22, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

True true he did graduate from GlenOak. --Autobiography.-- (: —Preceding unsigned comment added by LauraMaySexy (talk • contribs) 01:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I don't think Marilyn Manson went to Cardinal Gibbons High School because I am a student there, and all of the alumni and staff currently at the school unanimously agree that he did not attend school there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SpockLoverPrime (talk • contribs) 02:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Disputed subgenres

It is not there because there is a dispute on the talk pages, it is there because it has been decided that that is the best way to put it. Before that label, it was not uncommon to see disputes in the talk pages, and if it goes again then any stability to what genre is listed will disappear. Zazaban (talk) 01:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

see Marilyn Manson (band)

 Done ϢereSpielChequers 20:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC) the search "marilyn manson" should go to the band.people looking for it are either fans wanting to read the band artical,or looking for both in the sense that most people do not know its a band.but they are looking for the band that they didnt know was a band.get it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.180.30.43 (talk) 00:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Then they can click "see Marilyn Manson (band)." It's at the top of the page, not too difficult. James:The Four Faced (talk) 03:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

well that doesnt make it right.its stupid that these things are common and therefor accepted as fact.its just reinforcing misconceptions by leading people here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.180.30.43 (talk) 07:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Hes right when you search marilyn manson it does have one of the links as 'Marilyn Manson (band)' Plus, if you search 'Marilyn Manson on google, the wikipedia link is 'Marilyn Manson (band)'

'Family Guy' and Marilyn Manson

 Not done ϢereSpielChequers 21:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

No mention of the references to Marilyn Manson in Family Guy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.97.193.140 (talk) 01:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Not notable by any means. Zazaban (talk) 04:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Ive heard of that episode, i still want to see it. It looks funny my mate told me about it.

I have seen the episode and found it unlikely that Manson had anything to do with it, as the character's voice sounds nothing like Manson's and the things the character says and the way character speaks also do not sound like Manson (watch any of his interviews on YouTube). Six Millionths Dollar Man (talk) 10:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

If its significant enough to go in 'family guy' it can go in there but if we included every reference to Marilyn Manson in this article it would get too unweildy. ϢereSpielChequers 21:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Soooo a year later and no reference to MAnson in Family Guy? Put it in the trivia section or something. It's a TV show and a celebrity. It's pretty notable AND the laziness to put it up is just cheap. What happened to Wikipedia? If we can't even put something like THIS in the article, what's the point of going on claiming it to be an online ENCYCLOPEDIA!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.65.209.101 (talk) 07:48, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Glam Metal?

Would it be too much to call Manson glam metal? Mechanical Animals would certainly qualify. Much of their behavior is also reminiscent of glam metal. Last.FM has called them glam metal, Zazaban (talk) 08:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

the bands mechanical animals era,and to a lesser extent holywood era,would efinantly qualify them for this genre —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.180.30.43 (talk) 02:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

This is completely wrong: Manson's music bares very little/no resemblence to any of the genres glam: whether UK Slade/T Rex glam (apart from the that drum section in Beautiful People) or 80s glam metal: Poison/Dokken/Motley Crue etc. There are a few stylistic similarities though probably not borrowed from glam, more the S&M scene that the (80s) glam people borrowed from in the first place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.167.143.229 (talk) 16:06, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

i accept Mechanical Animals to be glam but like.. Nothing else is!. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LauraMaySexy (talk • contribs) 01:22, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

He has identified David Bowie as an influence, and Bowie is certainly glam rock. marbeh raglaim (talk) 02:52, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Is he Jewish?

 Done ϢereSpielChequers 20:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

"Jew Watch" (citation 3) probably isn't a good source for this article.

Good point. I've googled it and the best I came up with was this [2]. So it comes out and unless someone finds a better source it stays out. ϢereSpielChequers 20:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

I seem to recall a reference in Rolling Stone or Spin in the late '90s to him being Episcopalian by birth. This stuck with me, since I happen to be of the Episcopalian church myself! Perhaps I can find a reference. --Lillith (talk) 13:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

His parents were episcolpalian so he like.. Was he talks about it in his autobiography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LauraMaySexy (talk • contribs) 01:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The belief that he's Jewish could be based on the urban legend that he's the kid from The Wonder Years. marbeh raglaim (talk) 02:54, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

He isn't Jewish. Part of his ancestry is listed on this website (close to the bottom, right under "notes"). Amusingly, Marilyn Manson shares two great-great-great-grandparents (Johann Schoeppner and Katharina Heil) with conservative commentator Pat Buchanan. I can sort of see the resemblance... All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 10:54, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

International perspective

Clearly this guy offends a lot of his fellow Americans, but this is a global encyclopedia and he's an American with an international reputation, so should we balance this with material like this cool award ϢereSpielChequers 21:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Arrests/Controversies

Does anybody know what he did when manson got arrested for in florida for sexual misconduct? Just watched his O'reilly interview (actually pretty interesting) where they mention it. --Cuauhtemoc07 (talk) 03:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Genre

...Waaaaait a second. Black metal? Why is he listed as Black Metal, and why does his genre not match the genre of Marilyn Manson (band)?

The Son Of Nothing (talk) 15:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Church of Satan

In http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Hugh_Warner stands, that he is member of the Church of Satan. Shouldn't we write it into the article? --86.56.134.175 (talk) 18:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi do you know what source they used? I'm afraid my German isn't up to that. ϢereSpielChequers 18:29, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

(Just helping out as a German speaker) The German article states that Warner is an honorary member of the CoS. As is quite customary at the german Wikipedia, no source is provided. OTOH, results of a quick search suggest ("Marilyn Manson" "Church of Satan") that this is quite an uncontroversial and easily sourced fact. HTH. Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

There is a big difference between an organisation conferring an honorary membership on someone and that person being a member of an organisation. Yes it is easy to find lots of anti Manson sites that describe him as a member of or even a reverend of the Church of Satan, but we are interested in facts. In this supposed interview he is quoted as saying "I have learned a lot from La Vey. I think I will always be fund [sic] of history of religions and this church of Satan is a fundamental element of the struggle we are about to lead. La Vey was a fantastic man but I never became a member of his church or of any other." and this of La Vey "He was very intelligent and had many things to say. I borrowed his ideas and simplified them." Which gives us an interesting choice of quotes to use, "I never became a member of his church" would oversimplify matters in one direction, whilst "I borrowed his ideas and simplified them." would give a completely contradictory impression. So how do we phrase a neutral, balanced, verified paragraph on this? ϢereSpielChequers 07:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately I've checked at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Talk:Marilyn Manson#Church of Satan and that site doesn't seem to meet our criteria. If anyone has can find a reputable site which covers the issue seriously then please check it there and if it is a good site we can use it here to construct a paragraph to cover this. ϢereSpielChequers 12:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

If someone could find a copy of his autobiography he discusses it there. The church made him an honorary reverend, although I recall he claimed in his book that his office carried little real capacity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.66.52 (talk) 04:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

7th studio album

I turned Marilyn Manson's 7th Studio Album into a redirect here, but I'm not sure how to merge in the material. The material is clearly not ready for an article of its own and it was already WP:PRODded and would surely go down in an WP:AFD action.

Please find a good way to merge in content from previous edits or have the redirect deleted through WP:RFD. Thanks. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 18:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

what about the first 8 albums?!?

I can't believe no one spotted this before, but Marilyn Manson and the Spooky Kids self-released 8 'albums' (E.P.'s? albums?) before getting a record deal and releasing Portrait of an American Family (which was 1/3rd recycled material from the self-released albums). Here's the album order the mp3s were floating around the internet in: The Beaver Meat Cleaver Beat (1990), Snuffy's VCR (???), Grist-O-Line (1990), Big Black Bus (1990), After School Special (1991), Lunchbox (1991), The Family Jams (1992), Refrigerator (1993) and a link to a page talking about them: http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/marilyn_manson_and_the_spooky_kids that page seems to know of a few live albums I didn't know about, as well as more recent Spooky Kids albums. However they don't seem to have heard of Snuffy's VCR. Also I seem to remember Lunchbox and one of the other albums (After School Special?) being professionally re-recorded by the band and released as 1 album around 1999 or so but I don't see it listed here or there. I notice the wiki page for the band mentions that they self released stuff around that time but doesn't list any of it in it's discography section either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.102.30 (talk) 03:13, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

suggestion for article improvement

How about a section titled "Myths" explaining the various popular urban legends associated with him such as the ones listed here? Seems like it'll improve the article, and it's entertaining to read. Perhaps we can first get some consensus on this proposal before it's added. OlEnglish (talk) 01:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Nah. There are too many to count. Plus I don't think it's really that important to make a paragraph discussing how manson tries to suck his own Cock --Kyle O'Brien 00:27, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Personnel attacks on subject entry

 Personal attack blanked

is a personnel attack on a person who is well known in the artistic and commercial world. The above statement should be removed because of the offensive and impoliteness.Guziel123 (talk) 01:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Guziel123

Absolutely, It got taken down after two hours; as this is a biography our policy WP:Biographies of living persons applies, especially "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion". WereSpielChequers 15:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

manson

how is marilyn manson glam rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seth4000 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

he also doesn't using growling, and that's listed in his singing style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.168.141.205 (talk) 22:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

manson showed references to glam stars such as David Bowie and Marc Bolan in the sound and image of Mechanical Animals. DooDahDave (talk) 11:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

MM as Frank N. Furter in remake Rocky Horror?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rocky_Horror_Picture_Show#Sequels.2C_scripts_and_remake —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.250.214.96 (talk) 12:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

iako uglava

who are you,are you marilyn manson. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.151.140.4 (talk) 14:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

iako uglava

who are you,are you marilyn manson.please talk me.i am iako uglava from cxaltubo in georgia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.151.140.4 (talk) 15:01, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

relationship with evan rachel wood

i dont see anywhere on manson's wikipedia about his current situationr with evan rachel wood. it says on her wikipedia 'In November 2008, Wood issued a statement saying "Manson and I both decided to take some time apart so we could concentrate on work."' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.201.146 (talk) 22:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Dark Wave

What about Dark wave? He sings it!Ibmua (talk) 19:04, 21 March 2009 (UTC) omg he just plays industrial metal which have nothing to do with darkwave or any goth music, he's just a poser.

LGBT studies?

Since the man has said in his autobiography that he had preformed oral sex on other men, would it be appropriate to add this category and/or wikiproject? Zazaban (talk) 02:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

No, because it has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. Dark Prime (talk) 12:52, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but homosexual acts by heterosxual people are an important part of LGBT studies, no?~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 00:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Music Industry Scams

Some people feel, like myself, that te personal info often given for MM is a fiction created by a record company that wants to sell records and hide that MM is really an older person. In that sense it could be said that such a swindle deserves looking into, or maybe fans are just getting what they deserve. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.200.115.213 (talk) 14:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

No. Robert Berkshire (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

What? I have no idea what you're trying to say and it doesn't even make any sense. DKqwerty (talk) 17:14, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I think he's saying that MM is a fictional entity (like Gorillaz or Dethklok) created by a record company to sell records.

B.O.L.L.O.C.Ks Dark Prime (talk) 17:24, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

But Dethklok isn't fictional. A parody, yes, but not fictional. Either way, this is either a troll or a conspiracy nut, and should be regarded as such. Robert Berkshire (talk) 21:27, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

How isn't Dethklok fictional? Dark Prime (talk) 22:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Look bud, Manson has been doing this stuff (shock) since 1989 when the band first started, 5 years before his first major studio record. Okay? And wikipedia is for FACT. Not opinion. here's a website for someone of your stature. http://www.conservapedia.org Spread all the bullcrap you want there.

And another point, if this is bothering you, why don't YOU look into this "Swindle" as you call it. --KMFDM FAN ^(talk!) 01:03, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Date for Phantasmagoria

IMDB now says Phantasmagoria will be released in 2010. The year 2009 is referenced at least once on the page with regards to the film. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0758775/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jicksta (talk • contribs) 21:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Bad source

reference number 36 is a link to an editorial, biased opinion not an actual news article. Suggest removing it or finding a real news story about the Cathedral incident. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.133.175.151 (talk) 23:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed: gone. DKqwerty (talk) 23:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Genres

I suggest we change the genre entry to what it is at Marilyn Manson (band). It looks a lot, a lot cleaner and less cluttered. Only the primary genre needs to be mentioned anyhow. All of Manson's genres are some form of rock music. Zazaban (talk) 21:28, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Since there has been no objections, I am making the change. Zazaban (talk) 06:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't realize there was a discussion. Please don't unilaterally change content like that without at least some consensus; a lack of objections does not constitute consensus either.

While I agree with the premise, I object on the grounds that this will only increase the amount of vandalism on the page because every IP who visits will start adding sub-genres. At least right now the sub-genres are properly referenced with several citations each. I say we leave it until a better solution can be reached. DKqwerty (talk) 12:54, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I think its a great idea. Infoboxes should never be cluttered up with refs. Refs belong in the main body of the article. And as far as not doing anything for fear of vandalism, "F" that. I've been here many years and I was never afraid to make a common sense edit for fear of reprisal fro POV trolls. If we are a active community aware of consensus we can all work as a team to revert what edit moves the page away from the consensus we arrive at here, whatever it may be. If you look at an article like Celtic Frost you will see a compromise where editors decided on a single genre for a band with many.. but curbed some of the trolling by adding an inter page link to the articles 'musical style' section. The page still gets trolled now and then. But the link seems to help some. The regular editors just work to stay on top of the rest. That could work here easily. This page would be fine with just rock in both the box and the lead for that matter (although not using a genre at all in the lead is OK) Every article on Wikipedia should follow the lead of articles like MM (band) and Korn, etc and just add the parent 'rock' genre into the box. Fair Deal (talk) 20:24, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

compromise where editors decided on a single genre for a band with many.. but curbed some of the trolling by adding an inter page link to the articles 'musical style' section.

See, that's perfect. Like I said, I agree with the fact that the infobox should just be "Rock". But this method should, as you said, greatly curb POV-pushing IPs. DKqwerty (talk) 21:40, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

5 TOP TEN ALBUMS NOT 3

This apparently hasn't been edited since GAOG which was the third, since then Eat Me, Drink Me and The High End Of Low have debuted in the top ten. Also, more than 3 are platinum now, although I'm not sure on exactly how many. I think it's 5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.210.198.86 (talk) 01:52, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Woff-Parkinson-White syndrome

In the "Notable people with Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome" section of Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome it mentions Marilyn Manson, I think it should mentioned in his "Personal Life" Section or taken off the "Notable People" section. KingRaven (>$.$)> (talk) 23:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Personal Life

I hardly find him doing the voice of the grey alien in Area 51 even remotely connected to his personal life. 64.45.255.67 (talk) 15:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

ROCK???!!!

How can you group Marilyn Manson with Led Zepplin and Steppen Wolfe? Marilyn Manson is NOT rock!!!!! 64.45.255.67 (talk) 13:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, they are. Neglecting all sub-genres, MM boils down to a rock influence. This is opposed to say jazz, bluegrass, orchestral, reggae, etc. We've come to the conclusion that the simpler the genre the better on these types of pages where there are so many possible sub-genres that people continue to change them on a nearly daily basis. So instead of letting a bunch of anonymous editors change it from "Industrial Metal" to "Hard Rock" to "Heavy Metal" back to "Industrial Metal" to "Hard Rock"...etc. until the end of time, we've decided all of those sub-genres boil down effectively to "rock music" as its major influence. And so it will stay someone can produce a very compelling reliable source. DKqwerty (talk) 15:22, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice, so it's been to the most simple conclusion of all. Everthing with a guitar is ROCK. Deal with it, haters. Everything is ROCK. Or HIP-HOP. Or DANCE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnny pt (talk • contribs) 18:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Handling Criticism

Does anyone think we should include in this/the band's article how Anthony Michael "Polly" Coufos wrote a bad review about him so he retaliated by posting a myspace blog about how "Paula" Coufos tried to "f***" him and he turned her down so she wrote a bad review? He then called her ugly when he has never met HIM. Gives a bit of a look into the kind of person he is. That sort of random piece of information that could go under "Criticism". (Which I realise now this article lacks, the band has "Controversy" though.) Perhaps not the most important thing but hey, felt like it could be put in.

Crazybilby (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:12, 19 October 2009 (UTC).

A Movie Needs To Be Added To The Filmography

I was looking at Marilyn Manson's info to make sure it didn't require any editing and I noticed that there is a movie missing in his filmography section. I tried editing it myself but the page is semi protected and wouldn't let me. The Movie is Party Monster for the year 2003.

BallBoo (talk) 15:43, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Religious Views

There seem to be a lot of mixed opinions on his religious views, most of which seem to be based on speculation and interpretation of a lot of ambiguous and/or cryptic quotes. A cursory search of the internet I just did yielded a fair number of (unsourced) quotes that suggest all kinds of views, including satanism, pantheism, atheism, deism, agnosticism, some combination of the above, or possibly none. As none of them are sourced, I have not referenced any of them here. Even though he is obviously a very visible opponent of religious fundamentalism, that alone does not qualify him as having any particular religious views, so in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines, I think we shouldn't list his religious stance until an actual sourced quotation clarifies it. Othersider (talk) 06:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

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