Talk:Maribel Domínguez/GA1

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Reviewer: ComputerJA (talk · contribs) 18:11, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Hello. Thank you for nominating the article. I'll be reviewing it in the next 1-5 days and be posting my concerns here. All the best, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 18:11, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments

Overall, a good article. It's cited throughout and I did not find any major instances of copyright violations. I know it's hard to update an article of this kind, considering that a lot of women are underrepresented in the football media, notwithstanding how good they can be. I choose this article for review because I remember watching her play back when I used to watch football on a regular basis–and I want to thank you for updating it. Anyways, below are my concerns. I'll be giving a week for them to be addressed. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 01:24, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your review. I've made some progress on the suggested revisions with comments listed below. I will be following up on those that do not have comments over the next few days. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, thanks! Happy editing, ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 00:34, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Introduction

I think the intro needs to be updated to comply with WP:LEAD. I do not think it effectively summarizes the whole article, and most of the things on the lead are not found elsewhere in the article. Please fix this.

Expanded. Feedback welcome. Hmlarson (talk) 18:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

is captain and leading scorer of the Mexico women's national football team – This should be cited elsewhere in the article, not just in the lead. There is no reference of the captain elsewhere.

Re-added to International section. Hmlarson (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She is also known as "Marigol" for her record of 46 goals scored in 49 matches for the Mexican national team - Same goes for her nickname. In addition, given that she is often referred to as "Marigol", I think it should be bolded.

Re-added to International section, nickname bolded. Hmlarson (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As of 2013, Domínguez has played the most games (109) and scored the most goals (75) in the history of the women's national team - Should be cited elsewhere too, not just in the lead.

Re-added to International section. Hmlarson (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She holds the distinction of being the only Mexican player to have appeared and scored for the Mexican team in Olympic Games, World Cup, Gold Cup and Pan American Games - And same goes for this, too.

Re-added to International section. Hmlarson (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~:: I will work on updating the lead after updates the rest of the article. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)~~[reply]

Infobox

Her role in the PanAmerican Games is not found anywhere in the article text. Please fix this.

Added to International section. Hmlarson (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

The youngest of ten children, Domínguez was born in Mexico City, México – DOB is included in the infobox but not in the paragraph. Please include it with an appropriate reference. In addition, the é should not be included in Mexico in English.

Date of birth is listed in the lead per WP:OPENPARAGRAPH. I've removed the é. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"My father was very old-fashioned … practice in the street." – This is a standalone quote, which is generally not preferable in its current size, so please consider reducing it. It should have a closing or opening part introducing it (i.e. Domínguez said).

Is this per a WP Guideline or your personal preference? Colon grammatically correct per 1, 2

Growing up in a culture that did not fully embrace women and girls playing football – I see no direct reference to this in the source. The fact some boys did not want to play with her because she was better then them when there were young does not imply this generalization. Please remove this or copyedit per the source.

Refs added. It's a bit more than what you've inferred here. See p.161 of Grainey's book 1, 2, 3 This is also reinforced in the sentence by the fact there was no girls team to play on until she was a teenager. Hmlarson (talk) 18:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Domínguez didn't find a girls' team to play on until she was a teenager – Change to "did not".

Updated. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

she made it on the sub-national women's team – Does the source say when?

No, unable to find date via various sources/research. Hmlarson (talk) 18:52, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Domínguez fooled the boys on her street – In my humble opinion, I think on her street is a bit unencyclopedic. Besides, there was no mention of a street prior to this sentence nor do I think she really owns it. Please revise.

Revised. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"I was sitting in the dressing room one day when a female instructor walked in and told me to take off my trousers to prove that I was a woman. I told her, 'All right, but only if you do the same.' After that, they stopped bothering me." – Powerful quote. I am not a big fan of quotes (unless paraphrasing makes it lose its original meaning), but this quote is great. Would you consider keeping 'All right, but only if you do the same' and paraphrasing the rest? I think that is the most powerful part. Given the size of the article, using long and multiple quotes can become a problem.

Revised. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kansas City Mystics, 2002

she led the league with 17 goals and 12 assists and earned the Most Valuable Player award – I think it should say or imply that she won the MVP award on those strengths like the source says.

Revised. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Atlanta Beat, 2003

She was the first Mexican-born player to sign with the WUSA during the league's three-year history – This has close paraphrasing problems. Please revise.

Revised. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

During her first month with the team, she was named the league's Player of the Month after scoring five goals and two assists in three games. She scored seven goals during the 2003 season and was a leading scorer in the league – This is not in the given source. Please find sources with proper attribution to text.

Ref added. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Denied by FIFA and playing professionally in Spain, 2004–08

While the Federación Mexicana de Fútbol Asociación did not object, - Name should be in English. In addition, the source does not mention this fact.

Updated. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

From the report: "There must be a clear separation between men's and women's football." – This could be easily paraphrased.

I think this is a powerful quote that should not be paraphrased. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, a ban was placed on Domínguez appearing in an exhibition game outside the league but still alongside men. – Rephrase to: Furthermore, a ban was placed on Domínguez for playing in an exhibition game outside the league but still alongside men.

Updated. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Domínguez played for FC Barcelona in Spain's top division league, Superliga Femenina, who were struggling to avoid relegation – By the structure, it implies that Superliga was trying to avoid relegation, not Barça. In addition, this is not found in the source. Neither Superliga Femenina nor the relegation struggles mentioned.

Re-worded. See citation at end of paragraph. Hmlarson (talk) 16:48, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

debut for FC Barcelona came on 30 January 2005 – Came → was.

Changed to "occurred on" Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

renewed Domínguez' contract – the "s" after her surname is needed.

Added. 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I do not think Futblogtricolor is a reliable source. [1] Please correct me if I am wrong.

I'm not sure on this, but looking at the quality of the articles, it seems no different than something like SB Nation 1 - just less polished aesthetically. Hmlarson (talk) 16:48, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago Red Stars, 2013

Mexico national teammate – Mexico → Mexican? Might be wrong though.

Updated. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Along with Mexico national teammate,Dinora Garza – Source mentions her but not her nationality. Please add a source for this.

Added ref. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

She scored two goals on the season – On → In.

Changed to "during". "On the season" is used (probably colloquially) in sports writing. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

International

She scored Mexico's lone goal of the tournament – Rephrase to: She scored Mexico's only goal in the tournament.

Done. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Domínguez received her first call-up to the Mexico women's national football team in 1998 – Source does not mention this year. Please remove and keep her age, however.

Added additional source. Kept both year and age. Hmlarson (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mexican squad that earned a bronze medal in the CONCACAF Women's Gold Cup – Please link the tournament.

Updated. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CONCACAF Olympic qualifying tournament for the 2004 Athens Olympics, a first in the history of the Mexican national team – The source does not say it was the first time in Mexican history. Please revise.

Added ref. Hmlarson (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

During the 2004 Olympics, Domínguez led the Mexican national team to the quarter-finals and scored the team's only goal during the tournament – Not in the source either.

Replaced ref. Hmlarson (talk) 16:26, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

during the semifinals of the CONCACAF Women's World Cup Qualifying Tournament – Why is Qualifying Tournament in caps here but not in the second paragraph?

Capitalized and wikified in second paragraph. Hmlarson (talk)

however, the team was eliminated en route to the 2012 London Olympics – Please link the Olympics.

Updated. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

Refs 17 and 21 should have the (in Spanish) indicator. Use the " | language=Spanish " template.

Added although may be removing the tricolor reference after further review. Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusion

Concerns have been addressed, and my questions have been answered. Article is ready for promotion. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 21:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]