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From Mai Mihara: "ISU World Standings for Single & Pair Skating and Ice Dance: Ladies". ISU Results. International Skating Union.
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Controversy section

@Creffett: About all this: [1]. I would actually agree that it's nonsense and support deletion of this section. Rafael Arutyunyan (their coach) was asked about this incident by a Russian reporter and replied that his skaters form a tight and close-knit team (are friends with each other) and all this was nonsense. (His words were cited on the Russian First Channel.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Moscow Connection: I understand, but given that there are several cited news articles about the incident, I'm not sure it's appropriate to remove the section completely. Even if the coach said it was nonsense, the fact remains that it happened and was reported on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creffett (talk • contribs)

Okay, I see. I think the solution would be to tone down the section by adding a comment from Arutyunyan. --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:58, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring by Crabin

@Crabin: Stop adding this [2] over and over. I don't think it's important or relevant. You don't have to apologize every time you touch somebody. She probably didn't think something serious had happened. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Moscow Connection: When it first hit the Korean news, the crucial reason All That Sports cited as a reason to file a report was because Mariah Bell didn't apologize after slashing Eunsoo Lim. They weren't going to file complaint if she apologized. So yes, it is important that she didn't apologize because that is what started the whole thing. The direct quote "she didn't apologize-" is cited in source <27>. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crabin (talk • contribs) 10:58, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Moscow Connection: also I see you are very good at debate. First of all, she didn't "touch" her. She slashed Lim's leg with skate blade. (toe pick). She probably didn't think something serious happened"-> actually she was treated by the medical team nearby. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crabin (talk • contribs) 11:14, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I've looked at your recent edits once again and I can't find anything about "lack of apology" in the sources you used (1, 2. 3).
"Started the whole thing"? The skaters train together and are friends. Bell touched Lim Eun-soo a bit with her blade and continued with her warm up, she probably didn't think something serious had happened.
I still don't agree to this change and I'm planning to revert in due time. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:24, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, she touched her with her blade. As Arutyunyan put it, "she slightly scratched Lim Eun-soo's leg with her blade" ("лезвием конька она слегка чиркнула по голени Ынсу Лим") [3]. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:28, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Moscow Connection: link <27> the TMZ magazine has ATS direct quote "Mariah Bell didn’t apologize to Lim Eun-soo after the incident and instead continued to rehearse for her routine."

link below has All That Sports quote that they wouldn't have come so far as to file complaint if only Bell had apologized after hurting Lim.

https://sports.v.daum.net/v/20190321174444497

and if you play the video below at mark 40second, you can see Bell didn't "touch" her. You can see the gash caused by her toe pick.

https://news.sbs.co.kr/news/endPage.do?news_id=N1005188936

and seriously, the basis of "touch" is from her coach, who didn't even bother to look at her injury? CBC site has a clip of his wife looking after Lim, and helping her patch up while coach is no where to be seen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crabin (talk • contribs) 11:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

“The thing is that Mariah’s program includes an element where she lays her leg back and stretches it. This is how it happened that she touched Lim’s leg with her blade. Of course it was not deliberately!” Arutyunyan told R-Sport after the scandal involving his skaters.

“There has never been any confrontation between them at training sessions. And by the way, look at Mariah! Do you think this girl could offend anybody? I can’t even imagine who decided to write such kind of things about her.”

Their trainer says she "touched" her leg. (RT translates it as "touched", so that's probably a better translation than "scratched".)

--Moscow Connection (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you from South Korea? The video won't play for me, saying "We only offer this video to viewers located within Korea". --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed it again. We have a single source, the injured skater's agency, that says there was no apology. If it is reported more and is actually discussed and not just a reiteration of what the agency stated then it may belong in context of the situation. ~ GB fan 12:41, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@GB fan: What a weird reason. <Lim's agency, All That Sports, stated to Agence-France Presse that the incident had been intentional and part of a pattern of bullying by Bell including a verbal outburst prior to competition> this part which is on the page, is also a reiteration of what the agency said. as for other sources here you go:

https://www.msn.com/ar-ae/travel/other/south-korean-figure-skater-accuses-american-mariah-bell-of-injuring-her-with-skate/vi-BBV5O8s

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12215707

https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/figure-skating-mariah-bell-lim-eun-soo-allegation.html

https://sports.yahoo.com/south-korean-figure-skater-accuses-123302685.html

all of them include quote by ATS on how Bell didn't apologize to Lim after the incident.

@GB fan: some more:

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a26896424/mariah-bell-lim-eun-soo-figure-skating-investigation/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/03/21/an-american-figure-skater-is-accused-deliberately-cutting-south-korean-competitor/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.11ad8de02d4f — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crabin (talk • contribs) 13:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a weird reason. The sports agency does not get to determine what is important. If reliable sources discuss why it is important that there was no apology then we can work on how to get it into the article. If all we have is that the agency says it didn't happen it isn't significant enough to include in the article. We need analysis from an independent entity to say there is something significant about the fact. ~ GB fan 15:36, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]