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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

See also: Snooker to-do list

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A fact from Marcus Chamat appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 9 February 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Swedish pool player Marcus Chamat has represented Europe at the Mosconi Cup on 10 occasions?

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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 14:49, 11 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Odd one this, how do we know the IPA is correct for his name pronunciation?
- Sadly, this isn't my thing at all. Kbb2 did this one for me at Help talk:IPA/Swedish#Marcus_Chamat where he labels some sourcing, but I don't know how you would cite this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The source for his first name could be any pronunciation dictionary (as far as I know), but I'm not sure how we could source the surname. [ɧaˈmatː] is the only logical option in my view, I don't know how else I could transcribe what I hear on the recordings. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Understood. I only noted it here because I've never known how to say his surname... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:40, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Despite being only 5' 4" (163 cm) tall, Chamat was nicknamed "Napoleon"" I would say he was called "Napoleon" precisely because of his diminutive stature, not "despite" it.
- reworded. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No need to repeat Chamat four times in four sentences.
- down to two. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" European Pool Championship " our article has this in the plural.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" finishing runner-up on two occasions." twice.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"and would play for the Continent" played.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"as a player" unnecessary.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Chamat won his first major title in 2000, where he won the nine-ball event at the European Pool Championships where he defeated Ralf Souquet in the final" -> "In 2000, Chamat won his first major title by defeating Ralf Soquet in the final of the nine-ball event at the European Pool Championships."
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Do a "would" purge...
- Doing... - I clearly have an obsession. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:03, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"in the eight-ball event at the championships in 2008" -> "in the eight-ball event in 2008, defeating Svilar Zoren in the final 8–3"
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Infobox - 8-Ball, 9-Ball, 10-Ball, unnecessary capitals.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" 2004, when he did so at the 2004 WPA World Nine-ball Championship" no need for "when he did so".
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Don't overlink Soquet.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"losing in the semi-final to Ralf Souquet" generally when there's no ambiguity, no need to repeat first names after the first full-name instance.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Chamat played on the International Pool Tour[9] and also appears at the Euro Tour events." odd ref placement, and probably needs an "as of" for his latest Euro Tour appearance.
- He still appears every now and again... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"in 2005. He won this event by defeating " -> "in 2005, defeating "
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Where is his "semi-retirement" referenced?
- added a cite. It doesn't say semi-retirement, but he still plays... so not sure I could source the specific phrase/ Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Chamat's sole win in 2002 was referred to as "the best moment of my career"," this is confusing. It was Europe's sole win during Chamat's time with the team, and Davis said "It was one of the best moments of my career" not "the best moment of my career". I imagine that would have been winning the world snooker championship in 1985 or similar.
- Well, I don't think Davis particularly enjoyed 1985.... See my new article on the event. I'll reword. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm sure I meant 1983...!! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"After not regaining his " -> "After failing to regain his".
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"however, Chamat would take over as captain" -> "however, he took over as captain" and is that "non-playing"?
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"2015,[16] 2016[17] and 2017 events.[18] " I would move those refs to the end of the sentence.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"In total, Chamat has represented Europe at the event on 10 occasions." this would be better at the end of the Mosconi Cup descriptions, not before the one in 2018.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"In his fourth match" tournament?
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
". Chamat, as captain took Filler " comma after captain.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"for Swedish Pool, and" is that some kind of official organisation?
- reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" his short height where he stood at 5' 4" (163 cm) tall." perhaps "his diminutive stature, standing at ..."
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In "Achievements", no need to continually capitalise Winner.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]