Talk:Marco Silvestri

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Lead section

Re my second restoration of under-age international career to lead section.

The "this page in a nutshell" box at the top of MOS:LEAD says "The lead should define the topic and summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight." Mr Silvestri having played for his country at whatever level is an important enough part of his career to include a decent-sized section in the body of the article, which therefore should be summarised, briefly, in the lead.

Comparison with the Steven Gerrard page is inappropriate because Mr Gerrard's international career went on to 114 caps at senior level: only two men played more for England. It would be giving undue weight to a relatively minor aspect of a lengthy and successful career (and a lengthy article) to include any under-age appearances he may have made in the lead.

If Mr Silvestri goes on to play multiple times for Italy at senior level, then his under-age matches would become less significant in his career as a whole, and less significant in the article as a whole, and could be removed from the lead section in favour of his achievements at the higher level. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:36, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Do Americans say cheers?

Anyway, what about the Matteo Ferrari article mentioning that he represented Italy at two Olympic competitions; okay he went on to play for the senior side but there is no mention of his U21 career in the introduction of the article? Kő Cloch (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure I see the relevance of your first question, sorry.

It's not really a question of what individual other articles do or don't include. Some lead sections are better developed than others, reflect the balance of content in the article better than others, or reflect the balance of the player's career better than others. By virtue of their position in the article, the lead section does tend to attract more than its fair share of editors who think things have to be done a certain way, sometimes forgetting that we're here to inform the reader. There have been editors who habitually removed any mention of past clubs from the lead, so that all it said was "<name> is a <nationality> footballer who plays for <fourth-tier club>", neglecting to mention that the player won 3 or 4 top-tier titles, Champions Leagues or whatever. Sorry, I'm rambling. If it were me, I'd probably leave the international bit in the lead at Matteo Ferrari how it is, though others might think winning the U21 Euros worth a mention. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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