Talk:Marco Antonio Rubio

Middleweight Title Fight

Rubio lost a fight for the middleweight title, which is well documented (including listed on boxrec.com). I don't know why this information was removed, but if there is an issue it should probably be resolved here prior to changing again. RonSigPi (talk) 04:55, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 17 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 06:42, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

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Marco Antonio Rubio → Marco Rubio (boxer) – "Marco Antonio Rubio" doesn't actually narrow anything down - both the politician and the boxer have the same middle name. Ionmars10 (talk) 01:29, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. He is commonly known by all three names. 162 etc. (talk) 15:48, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

• Would support creation of a Marco Antonio Rubio disambiguation page that would list Marco Rubio and Marco Antonio Rubio (boxer) or, alternatively, it would list Marco Antonio Rubio (politician) and Marco Antonio Rubio (boxer). Those typing simply "Marco Rubio" would, of course, continue to access the politician directly. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

  This is a WP:ONEOTHER situation. What problem does a dabpage solve? 162 etc. (talk) 16:47, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Most WP:ONEOTHER situations are established by consensus and appear to be relatively simple, such as the one I expect will be likely confirmed at Talk:Ernest Gold (composer)#Requested move 17 October 2022. In this particular situation, however, the complexity is centered upon the fact that the primary topic for Marco Antonio Rubio is posited to be the boxer Marco Antonio Rubio (born 1980), while the WP:ONEOTHER is Marco Antonio Rubio (politician) (born 1971), whose WP:COMMONNAME is simply Marco Rubio.

"Marco Antonio" is apparently a fairly common name combination in the Spanish-speaking world or in families whose heritage originates from the Spanish-speaking world and it seems very likely that the boxer, who started his career when the senator and presidential candidate was already a celebrity, decided to use the unusually extended name to avoid any confusion with the more famous political figure.

Although the senator's WP:COMMONNAME is simply "Marco Rubio", rather than the full "Marco Antonio Rubio", since he has always been much more notable than the now-retired boxer, consensus may nevertheless prefer to equalize the full triple name between the two men, rather than make the boxer the primary topic for the long name. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:49, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

"seems very likely that the boxer, who started his career when the senator and presidential candidate was already a celebrity, decided to use the unusually extended name to avoid any confusion with the more famous political figure."

Completely unsourced, and dare I say, hogwash. Marco Antonio Rubio is Mexican, has never fought in Florida, and there is no indication that he is concerned in any way with Marco Rubio's political career. Marco Antonio Rubio uses the name "Marco Antonio" because, just like all these people, that's his name. 162 etc. (talk) 21:07, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Roman Spinner I oppose a disambiguation page, as having a dab page for 2 articles really is not helpful (with some exceptions but not in this situation). cookie monster 755 03:32, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

cookie monster 755 It is much more than just some exceptions, helpful or not. As I already mentioned, English Wikipedia contains nearly ten thousand 2-article disambiguation pages. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:44, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose original proposal and the creation of a DAB page. Having a DAB page with only 2 entries is (almost always) a bad idea. A hatnote at the top of each page pointing to the other is all that's needed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rreagan007 (talk • contribs)

There are 9,610 entries under Category:Monitored short pages, most or nearly all of which are two-entry disambiguation pages. Some of those dab pages can be eliminated by hatnoting each of the two entries, but a large majority of such entries cannot be hatnoted without making one of the entries default primary over the other. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:45, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose moving as sources use his full name boxrec, tapology, Fox Sports, Premier Boxing Champions, ESPN. A hatnote should work just fine. cookie monster 755 03:31, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.