Talk:Mar Lodge Estate

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I'm afraid a lot of this reads like an essay or a research project critiquing the NTS management of Mar Lodge. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. I'm going to look at doing some re-editing to remove non-encyclopaedic material. Grinner (talk) 12:00, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay I made the changes. Key points:

Reduce the number of very short sections/subsections, especially in the ownership section
Move work around (linked with above) to help things flow better.
Remove a lot of weasel words "interestingly", "controversially", people being "aware" as opposed to having opinions.
Rewrite to a more neutral viewpoints
Just generally make it read more like an encyclopedia article and less like an essay

I don't doubt for one moment that the current article wasn't written by a knowledgeable and passionate author, but it just wasn't really suitable for here: Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_soapbox

Grinner (talk) 09:56, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Mar Lodge draws the Easter crowd http://www.deesidepiper.co.uk/news/mar-lodge-draws-the-easter-crowd-1-311766 - 7 April 2010
'Uphill task' for historic estate http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4678441.stm - 13 July 2005
Mar Lodge faces SNH penalty over forest regeneration http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-14523760 - 14 August 2011 WikiWriter (talk) 11:37, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is some 'good' statements in this - search for 'Mar Lodge Estate' : https://archive.org/details/Frequently_Asked_Questions_2012 WikiWriter (talk) 11:37, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Can we get photographs of the management team? Heather Banks (talk) 10:41, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DEER
- CREATE - deer count before NTS acquisition & cull levels since Pete Haggs (talk) 08:33, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- CREATE - explain that deer cull numbers were driven by rationality, that 'too many' deer were preventing seedlings from growing Pete Haggs (talk) 09:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- CREATE - find and add quote from Seton Gordon's Caingorm Hills of Scotland about deer 'eating everything' Pete Haggs (talk) 09:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WILD LAND
CREATE - Easter Charitable Trust 'conditions' on NTS Pete Haggs (talk) 08:33, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OTHER
DELETE - gallery, it's padding and serves no purpose Pete Haggs (talk) 08:33, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE - check for and delete broken links Pete Haggs (talk) 08:33, 2 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Coincidentally, this management philosophy was in-line with contemporary expert and official opinion - in 'The Regeneration of Existing Pinewoods' Ewen Cameron, Area Officer, Kincardine & Deeside, Scottish Natural Heritage wrote^[1] :

It is important to recognise that we have to evaluate naturalness in a relative rather than absolute sense … there can be no intrinsic justification for using any given phase of the prehistoric pinewoods as a template for the natural or more natural pinewood that may be the objective of contemporary management … [that a] return to any former state would almost certainly be impossible from a purely practical point of view and arguably unnatural from an evolutionary point of view
– Ewan Cameron (1994)

Their minimal intervention policy continued^[2] through the first decade of the twenty-first century with the estate's 'Management' web-page^[3] stating :

The future of Mar Lodge Estate represents a great challenge: an attempt to develop a new and responsible form of Highland estate management by working in harmony with nature. In general, management will be based on minimum intervention; as far as possible leaving nature to take its course and simply monitoring progress … Following the reduction in deer numbers regeneration should occur naturally where native trees still remain. Through effective management of the deer population the use of deer fences, so evident on many other woodland regeneration schemes, will be unnecessary. Deer form an important part of any woodland fauna, and their exclusion is as unnatural as over grazing … Where it is considered appropriate, some man-made features – signposts, bridges, huts – may be removed in order to retain the feeling of wilderness on the tops

References

^ Ewan Cameron, The Regeneration of Existing Pinewoods, Proceedings : Our Pinewood Heritage, Forestry Commission, Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, Scottish Natural Heritage, 1994
^ 'Uphill task' for historic estate, BBC News, 13 July 2005
^ Management, National Trust for Scotland, 23 September 2010

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[1] Ewan Cameron, The Regeneration of Existing Pinewoods, Proceedings : Our Pinewood Heritage, Forestry Commission, Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, Scottish Natural Heritage, 1994

[2] 'Uphill task' for historic estate, BBC News, 13 July 2005

[3] Management, National Trust for Scotland, 23 September 2010

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