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I believe the "see also" of List of manga licensed in English to be appropriate to include in this article, because the book is essentially an encyclopedia about manga licensed in English - the list article provides the reader of this article with a semi-"index" of what titles they are likely to find covered in the book. The inclusion of this link strikes me as being common sense. --Malkinann (talk) 13:58, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I don't see it as being "common sense" at all. This is not [a] "relevant link that would be in the body of a hypothetical 'perfect article'". Nor is the purpose of any Wikipedia article to act as an "index" for any book, regardless of it being an encyclopedia. Nor is the claim that it is a list of titles they are likely to find correct nor appropriate as it presumes (very incorrectly) that it covers all licensed works. It doesn't, anymore than Anime Encyclopedia would cover all anime. No other book articles do this. This is not manga, this is an article about a book. There are no relevant see also's for this book at all and the section should remain out. Films don't do this, television don't do this, no other books do this, at least not in any actual quality article. So there is no valid reason to do this either. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The see also style guideline points out that sometimes, links don't readily fit into the body of an article, especially when they've got unusual names or subject matter like this list does - I was pretty pleased that I managed to squeeze in Glossary of anime into the body of the text. I think it would be helpful for the reader to include the link, as the book and the list cover similar ground, and I believe it places MTCG in context - "In general, do create links to relevant connections to the subject of another article that will help readers to understand the current article more fully". Linking to the list allows the reader to find out more about manga that have been licensed in English, (including the important question of 'which manga have been licensed in English?') which I believe satisfies the need for 'relevancy'. The link is relevant to this article in a way that it isn't relevant to the other book articles on manga/anime (not that the other book articles have ever had this link in them) - Manga Manga and Dreamland Japan do not focus specifically on English-translated manga, as this book does. --Malkinann (talk) 15:01, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I still disagree. I don't think it places the article in context at all. That's what the main manga link for. And I disagree that it is more relevant here than any in other books, which do not include this sort of list. Since there it seems unlikely we'll agree on this one, I'll post over at WP:30 for an outside opinion (would post to Books, but not sure how active anyone is there) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:14, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A third opinion seeking-post would be appreciated. :) I think we've explained our points enough to each other. Thanks for fixing up the article's infobox and citation formatting, btw. :) --Malkinann (talk) 15:25, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Policy doesn't make it very clear, and you both offer valid points for keeping vs not keeping. Honestly, in my opinion it depends on how many of the titles listed in List of manga licensed in English are included in this book. Regardless, common sense says that keeping the link certinally wouldn't hurt, considering that those interested in the Complete Guide may likewise be interested in other English translated manga. - 2 ... says you, says me 22:05, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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