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Mandalay disambiguation

I was looking for Mandalay (band) and had to search myself because there was no (disambiguation) page. Perhaps that should be created? 31.182.146.117 (talk) 21:23, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Mandalay and Mandalay Hill

If Kuthodaw Pagoda and Mahamuni Buddha have seperate articles so should Mandalay Hill. Wagaung 21:18, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No to merge, per Wagaung. --Hintha 18:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I suggested it is the deletionists are at it again. I just don't want the info to be lost. Chris 06:35, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Don't merge --Giovanni 13:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all its not a good idea to merge -- --Kozeyar 15:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My kingdom for a horse, but nothing for a merge.

Mandalay Hill was there before Mandalay. They each have their own histories.Wikimattmccoy 01:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Etymology of Mandalay

We need a little more rigor here.

The general definition of Mandala in Pali and Sanskrit is "circle" -- not "flat plains" as stated.
I can't find anything on "Mandare". The closest thing is Mount Mandara after which Mandalay Hills could be named. That's Henry Yule's hunch anyway. But I can't find anything on Mandare meaning "auspicious land" other than at the Mandalay city site.

Does any one have other sources to verify? Thanks, Hybernator (talk) 04:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mandalay comes from Mingalay meaning 'young/younger lord' according to local history. It harks back to Bagan era as Mingalay is taken as Shwe Hpyin Nge, the younger of the Taungbyone brother Nats. Nearby is Thakinma (Mi'lady) Hill aka Me U (name of the girl who rejected him) Hill, linked to the same legend. I'll try and find a reference but not hopeful; it's unlikely to be in English. Wagaung (talk) 07:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Judging by how it's spelled in Burmese--i.e. stacked "na" and "ta" (န္တ)--it's likely a foreign derivative, and most likely a Pali one. (As far as I know, no native Burmese (Tibeto-Burman) words are spelled with stacked alphabets.) But whatever you can find on its origins would be helpful. What we have right now with Mandala and Mandare (which I don't even think is a Pali word) seems pure conjecture.Hybernator (talk) 04:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, piggyback spelling as a rule is used only for Pali words or foreign terms such as England and India, although there are exceptions such as the towns Meiktila or Theinni, and alternative spellings of thamee (daughter), leimma (good/smart) and kyamma (healthy). Mandala is quite plausible if the derivation is from Pali, but you'll find a reference to mandare as mandayè here - George W Bird's account included in the article's references : Wanderings in Burma (1897), p269. Wagaung (talk) 21:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much. If Mandaye means "to bear good reputation or character" as the books says, then, it can't be of Burmese origin. Or at least I can't make it out. So there are three possible sources: Mandala, Mandare/Mandaye or (Yule's guess: Mandara). I didn't know Meiktila was a native Burmese name. It doesn't register as native Burmese to me. What does it mean? (I know it's not "Friends Lottery Come"!) Anyway, thanks for the research.Hybernator (talk) 02:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So far as I know Meiktila is named after the lake, and it may well be foreign as there was a kingdom called Mitila in northern India in the Buddha's time. He is, as you know, also said to have visited Mandalay Hill and prophesied the birth of the city at its foot. And Theinni is Shan Hsenwi. Frankly I've never heard of Mandala and Mandare and just grew up with the Mingalay legend. Minshin Saw, son of Alaungsithu banished from Bagan, built the Aungpinle Lake (eastern edge of the city) and Shwe Kyeemyin Pagoda (inside town next to a Catholic convent). So these actually predate Mandalay by about seven centuries. Wagaung (talk) 12:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sections to improve--need help

I added a section on health care, which needs to be beefed up. In fact, all other sections need beefing up:

Economy: Very weak
Cityscape: Reads like a travel agency's log
History: Too much info about the foundation but little else about recent history
Education: the number of primary/secondary schools and students needed

I'll try to add/update as much as I can. But what I can do is limited as my knowledge of Mandalay is based on my few visits there. For example, I want to rewrite Cityscape but I can't get hold of any references on the city's structure or architecture. (I suspect most don't have access to any documentation either.)Hybernator (talk) 00:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Trams in Mandalay

Do you know or find anything to expand the article on the Trams in Mandalay? --NearEMPTiness (talk) 06:33, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

mayanmar racism

Islam in mayamar is forbidden and the government torture every muslim there and some priests would to eat their meat! Akremi yassin (talk) 21:01, 18 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Burmese government and illegal Chinese migration

@Curiousdroid: Please note that the color of a writer's skin is not generally considered when evaluating the reliability of a source. Also, the source you cite appears to be a travelogue of sorts. Meanwhile, you need to provide the exact text from this book that supports your additions. I'm reverting it in the meantime per WP:V. --RegentsPark (comment) 23:11, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A travelogue? It's an academic source. Of course, a writer's skin has nothing to do with it. But your obvious preference for a 1990s unemployed white man's gossip over an academic scholarly source praised by renowned authors of the field says it all (Robert H. Taylor, Caroline Grillot, Hiu Ling Chan). Curiousdroid (talk) 01:15, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your addition is downright insulting. It implies the Burmese deliberately replaced the Burmese with the Chinese. Self-genocide. Even the phrase "turned a blind eye" doesn't assume intent. The source has dozens of stories and general themes. All of them describe how the Yunnanese came in detail. It supports the government did a lot but was "not equipped to enforce the laws." For examples,

"They stayed illegally in the house, as the Burmese government prohibits foreigners from staying in civilian houses." (p. 75).

"He went to the police station to report himself as an illegal alien. His visa had already expired. We dared not visit him because of our illegal status. Later on he was expelled. Since then I have lost contact with him." (p. 104).

Nobody ever described the researcher as "welcomed" by the Burmese government, as "tacit approval" would imply. They bribed officials in minority areas, inserted records into the government, and did everything they could to get IDs. Officers were trying their best to enforce immigration laws. Curiousdroid (talk) 01:36, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Curiousdroid: I have no preference for one source or another but WP:V is a policy on Wikipedia and you need to satisfy that. I suggest you do that without ascribing motives to other editors. Your source is still not good enough because it does not say that the Burmese government was not equipped to enforce immigration laws and such statements must be explicitly supported. But, you're also right that the source already present in the article is a weak one. Perhaps the best way forward is to remove any reference to the motives or capabilities of the government? Personally I suspect that it was a mix of both. In the 1990s, the Burmese government was busy upgrading the Lashio road to increase trade with China and would not have wanted to overtly rock the boat with China. It was also strapped for cash and would not have easily dealt with large scale illegal immigration. But, Wikipedia prefers well sourced statements and not personal opinions so what I think is not germane. --RegentsPark (comment) 14:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]