Talk:Manchester Liberalism

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Is Malthusianism considered to be part of the Manchester movement? That article links to Manchester School, but had been disambiguated to the Manchester school of Anthropology, which is far too late to be the right thing. Rojomoke (talk) 10:13, 26 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: move to Manchester Liberalism. Xoloz (talk) 18:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester capitalism → Manchester School of Economics – "Manchester capitalism" gives 18,000 Google results, whilst "Manchester School of Economics" gives over 634,000 results. A scholarly study of the Manchester school by W. D. Grampp is titled The Manchester School of Economics (Stanford University Press, 1960). In Morley's Life of Cobden and Trevelyan's Life of Bright the phrase "Manchester school" appears many times, "Manchester capitalism" not even once. Relisted. BDD (talk) 19:25, 29 January 2014 (UTC) Britannicus (talk) 20:37, 2 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support but with small s and e - technically there is a case for WP:CAPS but in this context small s and e will fit WP:CRITERIA better and surprise less. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Other options would be Manchester school (economics) or Manchester School (economics); compare to syntax of Manchester school (anthropology) and capitalization of Austrian School. I agree with IIO that the exact proposed title is problematic; it makes me think of the London School of Economics, expecting an academic institution rather than a school of thought. The Austrian School is much better known, and there doesn't appear to be ambiguity in that term anyway. --BDD (talk) 22:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not happy either way. Unfortunately, there is a notable economic journal called "Manchester School" (or in full, "Manchester School of Economic & Social Sciences", which cuts it pretty close and might be affecting your ghits. However you dab it, it is likely to be confusing. Walrasiad (talk) 06:57, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment #2 Unlike the Austrians, the "Manchester School" is not a school of economics (that is, economic science or thought), but rather a 19th C. public policy pressure movement - essentially a strand of 19th C. "classical liberalism" but focused almost wholly on economic policy, and trade policy in particular. They did not write or contribute to economic thought, but simply adopted the conclusions of others, and turned it into a political movement. Economists don't recognize it as a distinct school of the field, but just a group of historically-specific laissez faire political activists, whose ideas are derived from and otherwise indistinct from the Classical School. Indeed, it was originally a derogatory and dismissive term used by politicians to lump any advocate of lifting government restrictions on trade or business as belonging to some quirky "school" (much like the term "Washington Consensus" is used sometimes today). I'd be happier with "Manchester School (movement)" or "Manchester School (economic policy)", as that is the only context it is usually mentioned. Walrasiad (talk) 14:22, 5 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Googling "Manchester school of economics" and the added word "Cobden" gives 159,000 results. Maybe the article can be named Manchester school (politics) or Manchester school (political movement).--Britannicus (talk) 20:54, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as proposed since capitalizing is inappropriate. Weak oppose any move. Nothing looks compelling enough to beat this WP:NATURAL disambiguation, and Manchester school would have to have a non-natural disambiguator... right? Red Slash 00:25, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How about Manchester school (classical liberalism)? --BDD (talk) 19:31, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Manchester Liberalism, but oppose any other move. Most of the titles proposed raise more problems than the current name. As others have noted, this is not so much a school of economic thought as an ideological political movement, an expression of classical liberalism which became one of the most important ideologies in 19th-century England.
BDD's proposed Manchester school (classical liberalism) conveys that well, but it is verbose and doesn't seem to offer much over the natural language term "Manchester Liberalism", which gets 4,530 gbooks hits compared to only 677 hits for "Manchester Capitalism". Since "Manchester Liberalism" is more widely used in reliable sources, it seems to me to be the best choice. The current title is a clear second-best. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:34, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Manchester Liberalism or Manchester liberalism. Good find, BHG; my first thought was that those search results would be more generally about liberalism in Manchester, but that doesn't seem to be the case. The capitalization isn't especially consistent, and with WP:NCCAPS it may be best to defer to sentence-case, but it's clear that the title-case form wouldn't be a Wikipedia invention. --BDD (talk) 21:45, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- @BDD: I also wondered if the hits would be about local Liberal clubs and so on, but they are well-focused on the ideology. I'm not sure about the capitalisation, and would accept either form. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:28, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support moving to Manchester liberalism.--Britannicus (talk) 22:53, 12 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Manchester Liberalism. Not sure this requires a separate RM, but "Manchester Liberalism/liberalism" (undecided about caps) is a good proposal that captures it well enough and avoids the pitfalls and verbosity of the other proposals. Walrasiad (talk) 10:43, 19 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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