Talk:Mamluk dynasty (Iraq)

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Did you know... that from 1747 to 1831, present-day Iraq was ruled by Georgian Mamluks?

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Dynasty

I now have the exact dates of the dynasty of Hasan Pasha, and can write down the exact course.

Hasan Pasha (1704-1723)Founder

Ahmad Pasha (1723-1747) son of Hassan

Suleiman Abu Layla Pasha (1749-1762) son in law of Ahmad Pasha's

Umar Pasha (1762 - 1776) Ahmed Pasha's son

Büyük Suleyman Pasha (1780-1802) Umar Pasha's son

Memlûk Ali Pasha (1802 - 1807) Umar Pasha's son

Küçük Suleyman Pasha took the Little (1807 - 1813) Büyük Suleiman Pasha's son

Saeed Pasha (1813 - 1816) Büyük Suleiman Pasha's son

Daud Pasha (1817-1831) Memlûk Ali Pasha's son, Büyük Suleyman Pasha's Son in law and nephew

These are only useful if you can provide references. The content must be verifiable. Please find reliable sources (be they books, newspaper articles, scholarly research publications, etc.) before adding material. -ShadowRangerRIT (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mamluks were mostly Christians?!!

"The Mamluks were mostly Christian slaves converted to Islam, trained in a special school, and then assigned to military and administrative duties."

This is not correct. The Mamluks were mostly non-christian and non-muslim peoples such as Kipchaks and Circassians. Armenians and Georgians were sometimes also captured but it was mostly Kipchaks, other Pagan Turkic peoples and Circassians. The writer is either confusing Mamluks with Yanissaries or is deliberately trying to misinform people. I would like to see a citation for this assumption that "Mamluks were mostly christian slaves converted to islam". 213.46.53.120 (talk) 00:13, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have a source here that says that the majority of the Mamluks in Egypt were Kipchak Turks.^[1] The only reason that I have not already deleted the assertion that "Mamluks were mostly christians", is that I want the poster of this information a chance to prove his assertion by providing a source. Also I am not sure if the Mamluk rulers in Iraq also mostly used Kipchaks and Circassians. If they were a separate group from the Egyptian Mamluks they might have used Georgians but I don't really believe that. I think the Mamluks from Egypt simply conquered Iraq and that they are the same Mamluks. If I forget about this article, please, can an editor make the necessary changes for me. After a period of time to give a source of course. 213.46.53.120 (talk) 00:37, 25 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Isichei, Elizabeth (1997). A History of African Societies to 1870. Cambridge University Press. p. 192. Retrieved 2008-11-08.

This is not a dynasty

I'm not sure how to change a page name, but it needs changing. The Mamluks in Iraq were not a dynasty, a dynasty is a family. The Mamluks were a military elite that reproduced itself via slavery. There were many Mamluk households in Iraq and they were competing with each other. Mamluks did not pass their positions to their sons: a Mamluk household was passed on to one of the late master's freed slaves. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jb212 (talk • contribs) 18:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jb212 if you want to change the name, the instructions are at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.VR _talk 03:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Isichei, Elizabeth (1997). A History of African Societies to 1870. Cambridge University Press. p. 192. Retrieved 2008-11-08.

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