Talk:Mamadi Camará (footballer, born 2003)

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On 26 March 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved from Mamadi Camará to Mamadi Camará (footballer). The result of the discussion was moved to Mamadi Camará (footballer, born 2003).

Requested move 26 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (Mamadi Camara → Mamadi Camara (soccer, born 1995), Mamadi Camará → Mamadi Camará (footballer, born 2003)) (closed by non-admin page mover) ~ Aseleste (t, e | c, l) 10:04, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

– Names are basically identical, except one has an accent on the a, and the other doesn't. In keeping in line with national vairations, move
the Bissau-Guinean Mamadi Camará to Mamadi Camará (footballer) and
the Canadian-Guinean Mamadi Camara to Mamadi Camara (soccer)
RedPatchBoy (talk) 00:58, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update: This has gotten super-messy with many counter-proposals. I'm going to update this and re-ping everyone

- Option 1 Mamadi Camara → Mamadi Camara (soccer) & Mamadi Camará → Mamadi Camará (footballer)
- Option 2 Mamadi Camara → Mamadi Camara (soccer, born 1995) & Mamadi Camará → Mamadi Camará (footballer, born 2003)
- Option 3 Mamadi Camara → Mamadi Camara (footballer, born 1995) & Mamadi Camará → Mamadi Camará (footballer, born 2003)
- Option 4 Mamadi Camara → Mamadi Camara (Guinean-Canadian soccer) & Mamadi Camará → Mamadi Camará (Bissau-Guinean footballer)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. RedPatchBoy (talk) 01:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination and also support creation of the Mamadi Camara disambiguation page that would list Mamadi Camara (soccer) as well as Mamadi Camará (footballer). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but according to WP:NCSP and this RfC, the two need to be further disambiguated. So, move to Mamadi Camará (Bissau-Guinean footballer) and Mamadi Camara (Guinean-Canadian soccer). 162.208.168.92 (talk) 03:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Mamadi Camará → Mamadi Camará (footballer, born 2003) and Mamadi Camara → Mamadi Camara (footballer, born 1995). We don't do double nationality as a disambiguator, and birthyear is cleanest in this case as per WP:NCSP.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:46, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  If we go this route, then Mamadi Camara (soccer, born 1995) would be the best choice, as he plays in North America. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 14:33, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support moves to Mamadi Camará (footballer, born 2003) and Mamadi Camara (soccer, born 1995), and creation of dab page. Giant Snowman 21:00, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support counter-proposal, supporting User:Ortizesp's proposal as per long established precedent. The issue with using nationality as a disambiguator is that nationality can change, same with soccer/football, place of residence can easilly change too, whereas birth year cannot. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:54, 26 March 2021 (UTC) \/[reply]
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Update: This has gotten super-messy with many counter-proposals. Please re-vote here @Roman Spinner, Contributions/162.208.168.92, Ortizesp, GiantSnowman, and Abcmaxx: RedPatchBoy (talk) 03:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Option 1 or Option 2 Camara no accent is Canadian and identifies as Canadian per sources, so should be soccer per WP:NCSP and WP:LANGVAR. Normally, nominator doesn't vote, but with 4 options proposed, including counter-votes, I would think that modifies that RedPatchBoy (talk) 03:18, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Option 2 or Option 4. I originally proposed option 4 since, as per the RfC, There's a consensus here that national variations of English alone are not sufficient to disambiguate these athletes, and there is also a rough consensus to include nationality as a disambiguator in these cases. But, that's not exactly a policy, so if consensus prefers dates, that's fine. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 03:38, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support 2 or 3, no preference between those.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:02, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support 1, 2, 4 and 3, in order of preference. 1 is the shortest and most direct, 2 is also useful in easing the identification by highlighting the eight-year age difference between the two men, 4 is likewise useful in identifying the men by nationality and 3 is acceptable, but ranks last as a result of blurring the differentiation and conflating "footballer" with "soccer". —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support option 2. Giant Snowman 07:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The absence of diacritics probably don't disambiguate per SMALLDETAILS since few English users would type them though the one with diacritics gets slightly more (207) than the one with (178)[[1]]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 10:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support option 3 in line with my original vote and comment Abcmaxx (talk) 11:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.