Talk:Malay Indonesians

Malay participation in the 1999 massacres against Madurese

Polticized Malay nationalist sentiment led to Malay violence against the Madurese in the 1999 Sambas riots. Christian and animist Dayaks and Muslim Malays joined together to massacre and rape 3,000 Muslim Madurese in 1999.

http://books.google.com/books?id=OrdM8X7CBTAC&pg=PA299&lpg=PA299&dq=dayaks+malay+madurese&source=bl&ots=uZeyxBWjTh&sig=HJgReO2XzQEeybz5g8k2mMqTKXk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=e8_vUpXQJqvJsQTvt4GYDA&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=dayaks%20malay%20madurese&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=mk-nXY3HQfoC&pg=PA83&dq=sambas+riots&hl=en&sa=X&ei=01YWU6nOMK3I0gHosIDwDg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=sambas%20riots&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=wJ0pCgm5xS8C&pg=PA186&dq=through+anti-Madurese+violence,+Malay+proves+indigeneity+part+politicized+field+ethnicity&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EVkWU8fHF8qU0QHGt4CoBg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=through%20anti-Madurese%20violence%2C%20Malay%20proves%20indigeneity%20part%20politicized%20field%20ethnicity&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=wpJGooepEMYC&pg=PA143&dq=Sambas+1999+violence+Malay+claim+indigeneity+Koebillah&hl=en&sa=X&ei=0VgWU-7ABsWf0QGTzYHACg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Sambas%201999%20violence%20Malay%20claim%20indigeneity%20Koebillah&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=mPLgeU6K6pMC&pg=PA138&dq=through+anti-Madurese+violence,+Malay+proves+indigeneity+part+politicized+field+ethnicity&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EVkWU8fHF8qU0QHGt4CoBg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=through%20anti-Madurese%20violence%2C%20Malay%20proves%20indigeneity%20part%20politicized%20field%20ethnicity&f=false

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia-pacific/1186401.stm

http://www.culturalsurvival.org/ourpublications/csq/article/violence-indonesian-borneo-spurs-relocation-ethnic-madurese

http://indahnesia.com/indonesia/SAMPEO/people.php

http://books.google.com/books?id=EUDii8kvQYAC&pg=PA73#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=IUet7tl_j90C&pg=PA90&dq=Afu+Chinese+Dayaks+Malays+senasib&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tN0KU_yOF8buyAHTzIHwCw&ved=0CCsQ6wEwAA#v=onepage&q=Afu%20Chinese%20Dayaks%20Malays%20senasib&f=false

http://www.library.ohiou.edu/indopubs/1999/03/24/0128.html

http://www.library.ohiou.edu/indopubs/1999/03/21/0047.html

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/1999/04/20/the-solution-sambas-riots.html

http://books.google.com/books?id=JWQqTQUrHTwC&pg=PT24&dq=chinese+peaceful+dayak&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OtsKU6eFNOeayAGK5oHABg&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=chinese%20peaceful%20dayak&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=gZU0jbXt5MkC&pg=PA62#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=Gr3IAVnqmvQC&pg=PA34&dq=Since+1950+in+west+kalimantan+there+have+been+thirteen+conflicts&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Wd0KU7HeAqLCyQGTqoDoDQ&ved=0CDYQ6wEwAg#v=onepage&q=Since%201950%20in%20west%20kalimantan%20there%20have%20been%20thirteen%20conflicts&f=false

Later the Dayaks massacred more Madurese in the 2001 Sampit conflict

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1191865.stm

Ethnic Malay nationalism in Indonesian Kalimantan is tied to the Sultanates of Borneo and especially to Sultan Hamid II's image.

http://books.google.com/books?id=EUDii8kvQYAC&pg=PA83&dq=Raden+Winata+Kusumah+Crown+Prince+Malay+rehabilitate+Sultan+Hamid+II&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-CFDU_7xNOmkyQHJ4IDQAw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Raden%20Winata%20Kusumah%20Crown%20Prince%20Malay%20rehabilitate%20Sultan%20Hamid%20II&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 07:59, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Malays as a seprate group

Could it be made more clear given that so many Indonesians are historically Malay peoples what the distinction between someone who identifies today as "Malay" in Indonesia is from someone who identifies as Javanese, Balinese, etc.? They are all Malay people, correct? So who chooses to identify solely as "Malay" in Indonesia, today, and do these people do so because their culture is more closely related to the Malays in Malaysia than they are to the Javanese, Balinese, etc.? --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:37, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I kind of got my original question answered. But the language section in this article is far too long and actually confuses things further. This is supposed to be an article about self-identified ethnic Malays in Indonesia. Yet the language section gives almost a full account on the entire Malay family of languages. The sub-ethnic group section also does the same thing, listing Malay Indonesian sub-groups, but then confuses things by listing another subsection of ethnic groups who don't consider themselves Malay. Please, someone re-write this article to focus it back on the actual subject: self-dentified ethnic Malays of Indonesia. Sure, you can mention related ethnic groups and related languages, but they don't need their own subsections. --Criticalthinker (talk) 20:36, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Correction (sorry if this is redundant but the initial question still stands without an overt answer): Javanese, Balinese, etc. are not "all Malay people". Malays are an ethnic group just like the Javanese, Balinese and so on, both self-identified and as seen by neighboring ethnic groups. Just a bit more complex due to their wide distribution, and partly also because of ethnoreligious connotations. They live in Malaysia, southern Thailand, Indonesia (Sumatra/Kalimantan) and Brunei. The confusion sets in because the ethnic name "Malay" was adopted in the 19th centrury as a cover term for many various ethnic groups in western Insular Southeast Asia (roughly Malaysia and western Indonesia) and the Philippines (except for the Negritos), and basically had a racial connotation. This usage of "Malay" is completely obsolete, although it has survived e.g. in some Phillipine history textbooks.

But agree, the article is badly structured and confusing for the common reader not familiar with the ethnic composition of Indonesia, or Insular Southeast Asia in general. This topic deserves better, especially because the main article Malays in many parts is more focussed on the Malays of Malaysia. –Austronesier (talk) 21:10, 1 December 2019 (UTC)