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Recent removals

Please read my edit summaries before reinstating my recent removals. This article concerns the Mappilas and much of what it contained prior to my edits was about Muslims generally in Kerala - that is a usurpation of the article and sometimes a misrepresentation of the sources. I left a note at Talk:Islam in Kerala also. - Sitush (talk) 05:38, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove such large portions of the article without any consensus. Discuss the details in the Mappila article talk page, reach editor consensus and then remove the parts of the article.

AbuBer (talk) 05:40, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Will you please stop repeating your words across umpteen pages and actually address the issue. Why do you object to removal of this, for example? - Sitush (talk) 05:44, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please reach a editor consensus and then remove the parts of the article. Your recent editing history at Mappila shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

AbuBer (talk) 05:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are repeating yourself across umpteen pages and it is becoming tiresome. I will give you an hour to answer my question above. - Sitush (talk)

You are welcome to engange in Mappila talk page discussions, but please do not remove other comments. AbuBer (talk) 06:57, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stop stalling. Being polite is not enough - you need to respond properly otherwise I will treat this as WP:OWN. - Sitush (talk) 07:04, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the discussion.

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AbuBer (talk) 07:12, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Still stalling and you should take your own advice. I am not ignoring your "positions and conclusions" - you have not given any except it needs consensus, which is not a valid position in this circumstance because consensus needs discussion and you are not discussing. Which leads me to the other part of that advice - where are your "coherent and concise arguments"? You seem not to have any. I will treat this as WP:OWN unless you start co-operating. - Sitush (talk)

Please start the discussion. To which portion of the article you seem to have problem, sir?. Please explain. We will verfiy that bit.

AbuBer (talk) 09:42, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have already explained what the problems are. It is for you to explain why you object to the removals etc. - Sitush (talk) 10:07, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain the problems again. We will verfiy that bit.

AbuBer (talk) 12:55, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Read my edit summaries. Tell me which ones you object to. And please remove the section you have just added below - you keep adding/repeating stuff all over the place: it will confuse people and it is not necessary. - Sitush (talk) 13:03, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So now it seems you have reverted me without understanding my rationale, and you have started yet another section here? This is becoming quite bizarre. Do you understand that this article is not about Islam in Kerala - we have an article for that. Thus, general statements about Muslims in Kerala, their overall population etc are irrelevant to the article. If we knew the Mappila population then, sure, that would be useful information for the reader but if they want to know the total figure then we've already linked to where they are most likely to find it. It is all about having the article focus on the subject it is supposed to be covering. - Sitush (talk) 13:18, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So this is irrelevant, and is what I removed here and all the rest of the similar stuff. - Sitush (talk) 13:21, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have blocked AbuBer for this persistent obstructive behaviour while failing to partake in any constructive dialogue. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 14:25, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for moving the page to Muslim Mappila

Mappila is a name by which a number of religious or caste communities are/were known in Kerala. Actually this title is not exclusive for Muslim Mappila. Therefore it would be better to move this article to Muslim Mappila. Let Mappila remain a disambiguation page. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 04:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mappila Muslim is a subdivision among Mappila.

Mappila is a term that is used to refer to different Malayalee religious communities with non-Indian origin. This term historically encompasses Christians, Jews and Muslims. So the term Mappila should be used for disambiguation. Br Ibrahim john (talk) 02:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]