Talk:Makin' Me Fall in Love Again
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Lyric section
[edit]Since I asked another editor to discuss this change and that did not happen, I am starting this discussion here. Per WP:LYRICS, there should not be a chorus section of lyrics since ten lines is not a small part of the song and the section is longer than the one sentence that is being "analyzed." I am going to remove the section until such time that there is a consensus that the section needs to be in the article. Aspects (talk) 02:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- The chorus being there makes everything easier to grasp for the reader, because in many cases such as this one, the song just doesn't have the content there to delve into it much further without providing this. I think a short section of content with a piece of the song's lyrics is much better than an alternative of an overly-detailed paragraph thats harder to manage, and quite frankly unneeded and less doable. The lyrics for the chorus in question are 10 lines, but this length has not stopped removal of shorter passages either, so that argument is very thin and the amount of lines in the chorus not being considered "a small part of the song" is something that I believe is in the eye of the beholder / open to interpretation. The point put forward that the "analyzed" section is much shorter than the chorus is interesting, being that this would suggest the content section would instead benefit from a 10-line paragraph instead? The lyrics guidelines says that articles shouldn't consist only of lyrics, while a fragment of the song should not violate that. Additionally, questions of copyright have been mentioned: how exactly does that work? I could type this song title into Yahoo! or Google and find a plethora of websites that these lyrics can be found at, and I don't have to pay to access them there any less than someone would to access them in Wikipedia. Its not like we haven't given credit to the songwriters or made it known of the intentions. CloversMallRat (talk) 03:42, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- You have been consistantly misreading WP:LYRICS in an attempt to keep song lyrics in articles despite other editors' concerns. (Bolding mine) "In addition to the main point of not violating copyright, do not write an article that consists only of lyrics." You constantly leave out the part about the lyrics violating copyright to use the second part of the sentence. Just because other websites violate copyright, does not mean that we should do the same at Wikipedia. Here is another setion: "Quotations of the work within the analytical framework can fall into the fair use provisions within US copyright law (and to a lesser extent fair dealing and related concepts within other jurisdictions)." The one sentence of text is not analytical framework for which the lyrics could fall into fair use guidelines. The way you write the chorus lyrics in articles is nothing like any of the articles that should be used as guidelines. Aspects (talk) 23:38, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't avoid that part, I addressed that what is done with lyrics here is no different than anywhere else on the web. They have websites made up of entirely song lyrics, and its not an illegal operation by any means, so this "copyright violation" argument is pretty shallow. CloversMallRat (talk) 00:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
- You have been consistantly misreading WP:LYRICS in an attempt to keep song lyrics in articles despite other editors' concerns. (Bolding mine) "In addition to the main point of not violating copyright, do not write an article that consists only of lyrics." You constantly leave out the part about the lyrics violating copyright to use the second part of the sentence. Just because other websites violate copyright, does not mean that we should do the same at Wikipedia. Here is another setion: "Quotations of the work within the analytical framework can fall into the fair use provisions within US copyright law (and to a lesser extent fair dealing and related concepts within other jurisdictions)." The one sentence of text is not analytical framework for which the lyrics could fall into fair use guidelines. The way you write the chorus lyrics in articles is nothing like any of the articles that should be used as guidelines. Aspects (talk) 23:38, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
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