Talk:Major Grom: Plague Doctor

Superhero vs vigilante

I haven't seen the film, nor am I familiar with the comics, but my impression is that this doesn't fall into the superhero genre. Who exactly is the superhero, Major Grom or the plague doctor? Major Grom is just a normal police officer with unorthodox methods, is he not? As for the plague doctor, isn't he just a masked vigilante with no superpowers? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 22:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is rather complex. Both critics and creators define this movie as a superhero one (I will give proofs later), since it has, like original comics, many superhero tropes. In the movie, however, Grom has only one ability — to look at all potential scenarios of fight (something like Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes), even through he has no real super abilities. In this movie this question is also directly brought up, with the conclusion that the superhero is not the one that has super abilities, but the one who defeats super villain. That's akin to the question if the Punisher is a super hero. Regarding to Plague Doctor, he is something like Batman (a billionaire with a suit and gadgets who secretly hunts the criminals), and even in the movie's dialogue he is directly compared to him. And yes, both Grom and Doctor are vigilants, but in slightly different way. --Betakiller (talk) 09:19, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for addressing this, Betakiller. I'm still of the opinion that this should not be classified as a superhero film since Grom possesses neither superpowers nor any special technological advantages, such as the ones Batman uses, so he's really just a skilled investigator. Let me know how you feel about this. Thank you also for all the great input you've had on this article, you've been very active lately. I know I've undone some of the work you did and I removed a bunch of your content, and I just want to make sure that if you have any objections to that, that we discuss it here rather than going back-and-forth and undoing each other's work; I'm sure we are each putting a lot of time into this article to make it as good as it can be :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I really liked the movie, despite its weak points, and I want people outside of Russia to know about it more. And it is one of very few Russian movies (post Soviet) that are made on decent level and that are interesting to work with. Thank you for help as well. My knowledge of English is OK, but not the best one, so the help of native speaker would be needed.--Betakiller (talk) 10:58, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've been really excited to see it too, since I discovered it here. I'm in Canada, and it only comes out on Netflix tomorrow, so that's a big day for me! Anyway, it has been interesting to collaborate with you on this. We've both contributed based on our forte, while remaining respectful of each other's work, and I genuinely appreciate that :) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oleg Trofim's words

"When asked why the plot of Major Grom is so unoriginal and clichéd, Oleg Trofim replied that comics adaptations haven’t been filmed in Russia yet, and the filmmakers in Russia need to master the genre and its academic basics. Only when the genre is mastered, then it will be possible to deconstruct it and create something more original."

The thing is, the film was often criticized in Russia for the lack of originality, but the director said that that was the point — to create a simple comics-style blockbuster. Russia never had its own real comics culture prior to Bubble Comics appearance, and this also includes comic book adaptations. So the creators decided to create something simple first, maybe cliched, but decent, to learn how this genre works, and only after that create something more original or deconstruct the genre. And I think it explains much, so I don't know how this can be irrelevant.--Betakiller (talk) 17:18, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]