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Footnotes to History (Kurdistan, Kingdom of)

Are not this anough?! Why you keep removing them? is not it vandalism?! D iyako Talk + 13:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please mention how they are related because last time I checked those links, none of them mentioned him. --Kash 13:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because last time and other times before you did not read them carefully. instead you kept removing them from article.!D iyako Talk + 13:47, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then do please cite where this is the case and what sections you are referring to. --Kash 13:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the reference to Sheikh Mahmud:

In 1922, Britain's hold on the Kurdish region of northern Iraq was shaky at best. Rebels moved freely over much of the region, Turkish troops were moving across the border, and Iranian Kurds were flooding in in the aftermath of a failed rebellion against the Shah. In September, the British freed a former rebel leader held in Kuwait, Shaykh Mahmud of Sulaymaniya (a town northeast of Kirkuk), and made him governor of Sulaymaniya. Once in power, Mahmud quickly outstripped Britain's mandate, declaring himself the King of Kurdistan in November.[1]

In 1919, a year before the mandatory state of Iraq was created, a prominent Kurdish leader, Mahmoud Barzanji, proclaimed himself King of an independent Kurdish state and took over the city and area of Suleimanieh.[2]

I advise you to be a bit more patient with checking the sources. :) Heja Helweda 07:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying. Sadly [3] seems to be a personal website and does not qualify to be an academic reference, second one seems be decent enough to use. However I think the wording used on this article could do with more improvement. If you have more sources with more info, then please contribute. Keep up the great work. --Kash 12:39, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral Point of View

The following statements need some attention:

"British foreign policy ... has a great deal to answer for in the Middle East. Indeed, the gift of colonialism, generally, has been harshly judged with the benefit of hindsight.
An interesting account of the incorporation of the Turkish portion of Kurdistan ...
A wonderful account of the Kurdish people ...
He speaks of the experiences of fine British administrators ...

Accordingly I have marked the article as NPOV. I hope that the aforementioned text will not just be deleted, but rather reworked as there is some interesting stuff there. Greenshed 01:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Those paragraphs were unsourced, so i removed them.Heja Helweda 06:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing account

hello

there is a sentence in "Mahmuds Revolts" which reads the following: "Barzanji led the first Kurdish revolt in British controlled Southern Kurdistan (Iraqi Kurdistan) in May 1919. Shortly before being appointed governor of Sulaimaniya, he ordered the arrest of all British political and military officials in the region." I've checked the source (given at the end of the text block)^[1] and the wording is correctly matching the source. But it is impossible: the only power that could appoint Barzanji governor of Sulaimaniya were the British - there were no other power around. And the British surely wouldn't do that AFTER he arrested their officials. The text must read "Shortly AFTER being appointed - just a typo in the original, I suppose.

But the subject is more complicated. Another source given by an editor here (but not integrated into the article because it's a personal page, not reliable) tells us: "In 1922, Britain's hold on the Kurdish region of northern Iraq was shaky at best (...) In September, the British freed a former rebel leader held in Kuwait, Shaykh Mahmud of Sulaymaniya (a town northeast of Kirkuk), and made him governor of Sulaymaniya. Once in power, Mahmud quickly outstripped Britain's mandate, declaring himself the King of Kurdistan in November." That would support what I said: Mahmud arrested the British after being appointed governor. But the account is different: this source tells us he was appointed governor in 1922. The former - more reliable but in this point confusing - source tells us, it was in 1919. Anybody to research and clean up the mess? Thank you!--Ilyacadiz (talk) 12:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Chapter 1

NPOV

The final section, death and legacy, seems very personal and non-encyclopaedic. It is acceptable, I'd say, to talk about his legacy in Kurdistan, but to write sentences like "He was a true and loyal Kurd" is a personal statement and reads more like someone giving praise to him, not describing his actual legacy in Kurdistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.64.177 (talk) 17:38, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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