Talk:Mahammad Amin Rasulzade/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

1931 suppression

"the 1931 suppression of the emigre publications" sounds like a notable subject, and needs to be expanded with sources. It is tangential to this article, so the best approach would be to add any snippets of info here in this section of the talk page, so we can prepare to write a new article about this topic. John Vandenberg 23:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

M.E.Rasulzade's most famous quote

For some reason, the most famous quote of Rasulzadeh, by which he is best remembered, and which has become the motto of ADR, is not mentioned on the page. It is: BIR KERE YÜKSELEN BAYRAQ, BIR DAHA ENMEZ! ("Once raised flag will never come down!") [1] Let's put it in. --AdilBaguirov 08:52, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

do you remember this?

please look at this [2] at read ThuranX's comments(he is not turk, he is ashkenazi from Scotland). Azerbaijani, that is why i deleted it. will you respect administrator's notes? Elsanaturk 21:41, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Technical College in Baku

Can anyone confirm that the technical college that Rasulzade attended was "Baku Polytechnicum", the pre-Soviet institution mentioned on Azerbaijan State Oil Academy? John Vandenberg 09:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it appears that the Oil Academy was established on the basis of the technical college which Rasulzade attended. Grandmaster 09:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Broken man

This line is also questionable:

He died in 1955, a broken man according to Thomas Goltz

Thomas Goltz is a modern journalist, and not a historian. While he is an authoritative source for the events he witnessed in Transcaucasia in 1990s, he cannot be used as a source for the events of the beginning of the 20th century. And what is the value of that statement anyway? Grandmaster 10:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

To me, it underscores his unhappiness with his homeland being ruled by the Soviets. But I can understand that the word "broken" could be taken more literally to mean his spirit was broken. Being a reporter, Goltz may have slipped into using flowery language that sells papers and books. Are there any other works that describe his attitude to life in the latter years? I dont think it is fair to reject Goltz as being unacceptable on this earlier era as, according to the Thomas Goltz article, he is one of the few to write an extensive English work on this period. In any case, as we continue to add information to this bio the balance will come in time. John Vandenberg 10:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to check more sources on his last days, maybe I will find something supporting or disproving this statement. Grandmaster 11:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Goltz is a highly reliable source on the 20th century Caucasus. I have posted his credentials before, look through this section [3]. Also, the statement was added in after a compromise between Elsanaturk and I, see Elsanaturks comment above and this proposed by an administrator: [4] (Last comment of the section).Azerbaijani 14:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Image of 1994 stamp

User Elsanaturk has added commons:Image:MEResulzade (16).jpg to the article, but it could be removed from the commons because it doesnt have a suitable copyright tag; Template:Stamp doesnt appear to be valid on commons and I cant find a template of that name in the deletion log of commons. It looks like it was issued in 1994, which means it is probably copyright, unless the govt of Azerbaijan Republic or the issuing body has a policy that says otherwise.

As far as I can see, we need to have its copyright status determined so it can stay on the commons, because I dont think we can use it under the enwiki fair use template. John Vandenberg 01:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i would be very grateful if this problem should be solved because I have not a foggiest notion about how to arrange this copyright issues in wikipedia. Elsanaturk 01:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I'll give it a go, but the odds are not in our favour. Does anyone know what is the govt department or issuing body that is responsible for stamps in Azerbaijan Republic ? Also any information regarding copyright laws in the country? links or names would be very helpful. Sadly I haven't collected many stamps from this region so I dont know much of the history. John Vandenberg 02:20, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Azermarka is the stamp authority at the time of this stamp, so the only chance this image is acceptable on the commons is if the govt has restricted the rights of Azermarka in some way. The next step is to find out what Azerbaijan Act empowers Azermarka. John Vandenberg 07:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

in this page they give a description of that mark [5] but they do not talk about copyright issues, except mention the author. does it matter on copyright issue, if we regard that picture as an image of a stamp, not stamp actually? I do not know how it is reasonable, but if we put a picture of smth, which has an owner, does its ownership also relate to the picture? --Elsanaturk 18:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Or can we take out that photo and instead insert the photo from website above, and show the source of it? Elsanaturk 18:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Good find. It is quite probable that the photo in the stamp is out of copyright; maybe is worth finding out when that photo was taken. The stamp itself is almost certainly a creative work that is copyright to Azermarka. A photo of that creative work is not its own creative work, so the photo is subject to the copyright of the item being photographed (I can find a UK case to back that up if you like). Uploading the image from the website wont work as we dont know that we have permission to redistribute it. Im going to keep looking into the general copyright status of post 1992 Azerbaijan stamps. John Vandenberg 04:11, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

The stamp was removed from wikipedia, and today I saw that it's place is empty. I took the frame away. what a pity... Elsanaturk 23:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Grandmaster, obviously, i tought i have removed it, but it now seems that i just pushed the button "show preview" instead of "save". Elsanaturk 19:06, 18 April 2007 (UTC)