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profess

I changed the text from "profess themselves magyarabs" to "profess themselves magyar".

My rational is the following: - the articles linked specifically state at least one magyarab gentleman stated that "he feels himself to be Hungarian" - it is a mistake the consider "magyarab" the name of the ethnicity in the same way that "albanian" describes albanians. the word "magyarab" means "hungarian tribe" in the local dialect. the members of the "hungarian tribe" are, naturally, "hungarian".

Of course, external observers do note that the magyarabs are not identical to hungarians, and so they use the name to refer to them. But from the perspective of the magyarabs, they are "hungarians". Yes, it is a minor point... but I think it is worth being careful with usage to leave readers with the correct impression.

While objectively, the magyarabs are obviously an ethnic group of their own quite different and separate from Hungarians; they internally and subjectively consider themselves to be Hungarian.

Hope that made sense.

--69.158.24.254 22:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hansjoachim von der Esch states in his book (Weenak-die Karawane ruft, 1941), where he describes in about 20-30 pages his researches among the Magyarab, that the first members of the tribe he happened upon all were called "Al Magyar" as their family name and described themselves as "Austrian" (Nemsawiyyin, which is a word today still used in Arabic for Austrian). He tells it Almasy and he recalls that 'Magyar' sounds as Magyar i.e. Hungarian, and that both countries were until recently united in the Austro-Hngarian Empire. Do you think we should work this into the article? --Ilyacadiz (talk) 23:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am the previous poster above. I think the information, so long as it can be reasonably sourced, should very definitely make it into the article. I am not quite sure how to interpret it, but it does introduce another interesting dimension to Magyarab identity. --198.103.167.20 (talk) 16:59, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The name "Nagy"

Aha! Does this explain the use of the given name Nagy in both of those two historically inconnected populations? //Big Adamsky 01:54, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Nagy", of course, is the Hungarian word for "Great" (or "Large" or "Big") and is a fairly common family name (in Hungary not generally used as a first name though). Unless it is a false cognate, your theory is probably correct. --70.49.163.189 16:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

well i'll be damned.

there's a bunch of ethnic hungarians living in egypt for centuries. how surprising!

Oh do not be so ridiculous. I know a few very well, and besides, the article is sourced. Tanzeel 01:06, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nationmaster

According to what I read on the Magyarabs article on encyclopediac web site Nationmaster.com, the current population stands at 6,000-7,000 estimated as of the 2000's, and they hadn't lost ethnic consciousness of Hungarian roots in the southern Nile river valley.

During WWI (1914-18), the Magyarab tribes were persecuted and relocated to internment camps by Egyptian authorities. They feared Magyarabs wouldn't be loyal to Egypt when with its ally Great Britain were at war against Austria-Hungary and Ottoman Turkey.

Today, Magyarabs are thought to be living in Cairo, Egypt; Libya; Israel, parts of Africa and the Middle East; and immigrated into European nations such as Germany, Austria, Hungary, Greece, Cyprus, Switzerland, Italy, Sweden and the UK (England); and Australia.

Some thousand Magyarab farm laborers in then-French Syria and then-British Palestine (Jordan) may entered the USA, mainly to the Southwest in the 1920's to participate in the citrus and date palm growing industries. + 71.102.0.58 (talk) 04:28, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hoax

So how do we get rid of this crap? I marked it for deletion but it was reverted saying it's notable -- because this very article exists! Just because some turbo Hungarians added this bullshit to Wikipedia doesn't make it true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D08:5380:CAD:B505:569A:6501:F3E5 (talk) 22:18, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are no such a nation as Magyarab people. They are from one ore more extremely successful media-hack from Hungary. So I recommend to rewrite or delete this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attila v m (talk • contribs) 10:49, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you read your source carefully you will see that the "media-hack" is not really connected to Magyarabs.Fakirbakir (talk) 11:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I read it of course and there are two hypothetical tribe, one in Nubia and one in Kongo, and the page what I linked states that the last one is hoax, but there are no clear source on the Hungarian Magyarab wikipage for the first one, but only gutter press, newspapers... well and one book, what I can not check. The English page has more books for sources, but none of them are easy to check for reliability. I guess the best solution is ask somebody competent. So I'll seek someone at my university. Attila v m (talk) 15:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concern, but let me assure you that the book (by Hansjoachim von der Esch, 1941; does exist in print, I've read it. It's reliable, the author was a respected researcher. Of course it's myself who put that source into this page, so check a library, but you'll see it confirmed. It's no hoax.Ilyacadiz (talk) 14:36, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Islam or not

Hi, I reverted today the edits by User Mjv216 in the infobox, among them a comment about Ottomans enslaving the Magyar people. Now I got on my talkpage a message by the same user, which I copy here: "Please keep the Magyarab page edited correctly. First of all, I'm 100% Hungarian Magyar. Magyars are NOT arabs , we were slaved by them, otterman turks. No offence but, Were not Jews either. Magyars come from above Egypt to india, native american is closest to our background. Please don't say our religion is Islam, and no offence to Muslims as well but they slaved us under Islam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjv216 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)"

Hello Mjv216, I respect your opinion but the infobox is not the right place for that debate. It might very well be that the Magyarab are not Muslims, but you should find a source for that and add this interesting detail in the normal text first, once written there it can be put also into the infobox. Finally, putting "Magyars" as headline is not correct, because all Hungarians are Magyars, and the box refers only to those living in Egypt, called normally Magyarab (a word which has nothing to do with Arabs). Anyhow, any change of this kind needs a source where someone has expressed that opinion. Thanks! Ilyacadiz (talk) 17:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]