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Requested move

Please discussion the requested move to Magnus the Good at Talk:Harald I of Norway. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Closed as no consensus. —Wknight94 (talk) 19:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 09:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC) There is at least significant cause to question many of the accepted points, in that the mere dating and deeds of magnus I's life are in dispute at least back to 850 ad. particularly with reference to the completely omitted attributed deeds that earned the title of "the good" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.169.94 (talk) 15:29, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon? No one claims that he lived in 850 ad - what do you mean?--Barend (talk) 03:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Translation

The note at the bottom of this page saying that it's translated from the Danish Wikipedia article dates back to 20:22 on 2 March 2003. I looked over there on my way to get the version number to replace the note with the "translated from X version" template, but the header for that edit says "Based on an article by Søren Sørensen," so I suspect the actual source was what's listed as "Søren Sørensen (www.aerenlund.dk)" under "Sources/External Links" on the Danish page. That makes it a bit more complicated; clearly it would be better to make inline references to that source in this article. Also the Danish article is shorter than this one; this one has grown in the over 100 edits since. So what I plan to do is look on Norwegian Wikipedia for more info and rewrite it to be on the safe side in case there is copyvio, and get a few inline references in if possible . . . unless someone else does the rewriting first :-) . . . and meanwhile I'll import the list of sources and links from the Danish page so that they're there for info as well as in acknowledgement of where the page seems to have in part come from.

And I also want to get the names internally consistent and matching their forms on en.wikipedia. Yngvadottir (talk) 20:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops. Found the Sørensen essay at Min Verdenshistorie: Vikingetiden 735-1086 starting in 1024. This is not a reliable source, and the text looks at first glance to be awfully close to the English. I'm dumping it here as documentation. This article will have to be rewritten.

1024 Magnus den Gode, konge af Norge fra 1035-1047 og af Danmark 1042-1047, søn af den norske konge Olav den Hellige. I perioden 1028-1035 lever han i landflygtighed, men efter Knud den Stores død bliver han kaldt hjem og kåret til konge af de norske høvdinge, der har fået nok af danskerstyre. Efter Hardeknuds død i 1042 kåres han til dansk konge, selv om Svend Estridsen i hast er sejlet til Danmark for at gøre krav på tronen. Svend er søn af Estrid, Knud den Stores søster. Der er store uroligheder syd for den danske grænse, og i 1043 besejrer Magnus venderne i slaget på Lyrskov Hede, hvor omkring 15.000 vendere menes at miste livet. Det er vistnok den sejr, der sikrer ham tilnavnet "den Gode".

Hans stærk rival, Svend Estridsen giver dog ikke op. Efter Magnus' tronbestigelse er der talrige konflikter mellem Magnus og Svend. Der indgås et forlig, som gør Svend til jarl i Danmark. Magnus har nok at gøre i Norge, hvor hans farbroder, Harald Hårderåde gør krav på den norske trone. I 1046 må Magnus anerkende Harald Hårderåde som medkonge. I 1047 fordriver Svend Estridsen Magnus fra Danmark med hjælp fra Anund Jakob af Sverige. Svend kan dog ikke samle den fornødne opbakning, og det ender med, at Svend må flygte til Skåne. Magnus dør den 25. oktober 1047, vistnok ved et styrt med en hest. På sit dødsleje meddeler han, at Svend skal arve Danmark og Harald Norge. Hans lig føres til Norge og begraves i domkirken i Trondheim, hvor også hans fader ligger begravet. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:33, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have now completed a rewrite, with references. There is surprising disagreement about many things, and the no.wikipedia article has many more details but no sources for several that I would otherwise have used; so I hope others can continue to expand this with references I didn't find. Yngvadottir (talk) 23:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone take a look at this and translate and add any new information.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 00:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done; it's a venerable source, although a tertiary one. Adds nothing new except that it enabled me to reference the daughter. Yngvadottir (talk) 06:04, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 17:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

Magnus I of Norway → Magnus the Good – Suggest to move the title of this article to Magnus the Good, which is a widespread, and by far the most common (per WP:COGNOMEN 2.), name used when referring to this king. Thhist (talk) 16:37, 26 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support All Kings of Norway before him should be moved to their nicknames too. Also a parenthesis with his name/nickname in Old Norse or a sentence explaining the meaning would be helpful too. --The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 11:00, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom - As a Norwegian I know him as "Magnus den gode", not the number. But in English, "the noble" might aswell be used. Mentoz86 (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I agree, the nickname is more common than the number, in English as well. --Yngvadottir (talk) 12:59, 27 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Similar Moves See Talk:Harald II of Norway--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 16:58, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Queries on this article

There are two paragraphs in this article which I find puzzling.

1. It is stated that he became king at the age of 11, and was dissuaded from seeking revenge against his father's enemies. Could he really have taken this decision for himsefl at such a young age? All other kings I have read about at that age had regents. Is his birth date certain?

2. In the next paragraph it is stated that Magnus launched a campaign against Harthacnut in Denmark in around 1040, but the kings then met and agreed a settlement. However, historians of England such as M. K. Lawson in his Dictionary of National Biography article on Harthacnut state that when Cnut died in 1035 Harthacnut did not go to England to make good his claim to the English throne, probably because of the threat of invasion of Denmark by Magnus. In 1039 Harthacnut moved to Bruges to launch an invasion of England, probably because he had settled with Magnus, but King Harold Harefoot died in March 1040 and Harthacnut was able to take the throne without a fight. This contradicts the statement in the wiki article on Magnus that he did not start his campaign against Harthacnut until around 1040, which cannot be correct as that is after the date when Harthacnut felt it was safe to leave Denmark. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:48, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]