Talk:Magic Johnson/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Awards and honors

Why are we removing the list of awards and honors received by Magic Johnson - especially when each and every one of them were sourced?

Looks to me like Sabbatino just has a personal issue with me, and thinks that he is better than me...this is just like the Cavs article...he flipped out over my edits there too. Vjmlhds (talk) 14:41, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Long story short, the only reason Giants2008 removed them to start with is because he felt they weren't sourced sufficiently...OK, fair point, so I did what I was asked to do and find references, and after doing a little homework, I made sure all the bases were covered, and that seemed to settle things with Giants2008. There was was no dispute with Giants2008 - he just told me to fix what he felt needed fixing, and that was reasonable enough. Then Sabbatino comes out of nowhere and blows it up, essentially saying "leave it out because I said so". That doesn't fly...if someone wants to remove perfectly sourced material, they have to come up with a legitimate reason. Giants2008 had an issue with the sourcing, so I took his advice and fixed it...that's fine. Sabbatino removing it just to play "big man on campus" - that's something else entirely. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:05, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Bottom line is this, if you remove something and have a specific reason for doing so (references or whatever else), I'll listen to that all day long, because all you're doing is saying "you can be better", and that's fine. If you remove something just to try your weight around and say "Me boss!", then we're gonna have an issue. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vjmlhds: You are supposed to follow WP:BRD, which clearly says that you must start a discussion when you are reverted. And Giants2008 has reverted your edits, but you reinstated them without even starting the discussion anywhere. So no, I do not have any personal issues with you, because you are going against policies. In addition, I did not "come out of nowhere", because this page is on my Watchlist so I see every edit made when I check my Watchlist. Furthermore, get familiar with what WP:PERSONAL is, because that is a completely different thing than you are implying. What you are doing here is WP:HOUNDING, because you singled me out more than once in this post so I advise you to stop. – Sabbatino (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Sabbatino If anybody is hounding anybody, you are hounding me. I find it very interesting that any time I make an edit to a basketball related article, you are right there almost in my back pocket coming out of the weeds and instantly reverting me. It almost feels like you appointed yourself the Big Daddy Grand Poobah of all basketball articles, and no one else can play in your sandbox. And you can quote WP:whatever all day long...street smarts and the smell test say it's you who has an issue with me because I dare to enter your "kingdom". Vjmlhds (talk) 17:20, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Vjmlhds: Me and you have three pages in common that we both edited in the last month so no, I am not "coming out of the weeds and instantly reverting you". The fact that I have many pages on my Watchlist does not mean that I am following someone. In addition, I patrol basketball-related pages daily. You never discussed the issues with Giants2008 so do not make it seem like I am responsible for your failure to start a discussion when it was needed. You should really go get some fresh air and WP:COOLdown, because all you have been doing since the start of this "discussion" is making WP:PERSONAL attacks towards me. Should you continue making personal attacks (for which you were blocked more than once) then you will be reported and I hope your block will be permanent this time. – Sabbatino (talk) 19:41, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: Giants2008 told me what he thought needed to be done in his edit summary, and I did it. Just because we didn't have a formal "by the book" discussion on the talk page, doesn't mean that we didn't discuss the matter. Vjmlhds (talk) 20:06, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sabbatino: BTW...when you tell somebody that you hope they get blocked permanently, how is that not a personal attack? That is wishing ill will on someone by basically telling them "I hope you get yours." Vjmlhds (talk) 20:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Discussion "by the book" is supposed to happen so no, you did not discuss anything. In addition, I am not going to comment here until you get familiar with WP:PERSONAL, because you clearly do not understand the policy. – Sabbatino (talk) 04:57, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

You are the one who needs to read up on WP:Personal, as it states "There is no rule that is objective and not open to interpretation on what constitutes a personal attack" - basically meaning it's in the eye of the beholder. Now when you say you hope I get blocked permanently, I don't think I'm out of line in thinking it's a personal dig at me. Like I said before, it's like saying to someone "I hope you get yours". Vjmlhds (talk) 05:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2020

Change 10 NBA championships to 11. Magic Johnson has 11 NBA Championships as of 12/26/2020 per his latest Instagram and Twitter posts, not 10 as the page currently says. https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/status/1342897649532416001 Caleb.longenecker1 (talk) 21:30, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 00:19, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

We would want an independent source. At any rate, he apparently got a ring for the 2020 championship, but he had left the team after 2018–19. I wouldn't equate winning a championship as being synonymous with receiving a ring.—Bagumba (talk) 03:03, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Weight

How can a big strapping guy who is 6-9" tall weigh only 220 lbs? That does not make sense. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

The same way Manute Bol who was 7 ft 6 in (2.29 m) and weighed only 200 lb (91 kg). So what is your point? This is WP:NOTFORUM to raise such questions. – Sabbatino (talk) 09:06, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

In fairness, I couldn't see where the weight was sourced in the article, so I went ahead and added a cite to the infobox to back up the figure. Giants2008 (Talk) 17:34, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

"one of the greatest"

@Garnhami: I see that you restored text to the lead that Johnson is "generally considered to be one of the greatest players in NBA history". To the casual reader, it's redundant to him being in the Hall of Fame or being named one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History. I'm going to guess that you're trying to imply that he's in the top-5 or 10 or on the "Mount Rushmore" of basketball, but that's not how that reads. More nuanced rankings, outside of saying someone is "the greatest", are probably better explained in the body, rather than repeating what being in the HOF or among the 50 Greatest already implies.03:54, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 February 2021

Under NBA legacy, it is stated that Johnson is second all time in triple-doubles only to Oscar Robertson but on October 26th 2019 Johnson was surpassed by Russell Westbrook. 67.193.76.146 (talk) 00:17, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:17, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2021

i need to edit this page 108.31.249.125 (talk) 16:58, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.—Bagumba (talk) 17:36, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Political affiliation query.

Greetings:

I see under POLITICS that

"Johnson is a supporter of the Democratic Party. In 2006, he publicly endorsed Phil Angelides for Governor of California."

There is no mention of Johnson's political affiliation from before 2006. In a Washington Post article about conservatives who are now touting a specious comparison of NBA player Kyrie Irving's refusal to get C-19 vaccination with Magic Johnson's playing basketball in the 1990s with HIV, one of the reader commenters wrote that Johnson used to be a Republican. Is there information about this? He has never sounded like one to me whenever I've seen him speak about politics.

Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 00:53, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

@Wordreader: I did a Google search for "Magic Johnson Republican" and couldn't find any obvious support for the claim in question, or anything saying he changed his party affiliation. In fairness, political stuff is a bit above my pay grade, so I didn't study the issue too deeply. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:44, 20 October 2021 (UTC)