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I think it's appropriate that French name should be linked here, but I'm not sure how it would be appropriate to do it. Romnempire (talk) 19:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 July 2021

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. No consensus. Maybe focus on translating fr:Mademoiselle to expand the article first? Though we have Lady-in-waiting § France rather than a separate Dame de compagnie [fr] article (this is English Wikipedia) and Miss boldfaces the traditional French "Mademoiselle" rather than linking to Mademoiselle (so maybe the content belongs there). – wbm1058 (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Mademoiselle (title) seems to be a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2021 (UTC) Relisting. BD2412 T 17:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AllegedlyHuman: You pose a fair question that will be ultimately decided, as it is in all Wikipedia issues, through consensus. As the hatnote atop Mademoiselle (title) informs us, it is already the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the Damsel (disambiguation) page where the lead line states, "Damsel is a synonym for mademoiselle." Whether that is still a valid statement or whether the stock character damsel in distress has the primary meaning in the English=speaking world may also need to be assessed.
Others may disagree, but I feel that a primary topic has an expectation of being more than a stub — Mademoiselle (magazine) had been publishing for 66 years and has an entry in seven other Wikipedias, while Mademoiselle (1966 film) has an entry in nine other Wikipedias. One might expect that Mademoiselle (title) might appear in Wikipedias of nearly every language, but it turns out to have an entry in only eight other Wikipedias. The level of arguments and participation in this discussion, will obviously determine the outcome. —Roman Spinner (talkcontribs) 08:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The title is the primary topic by long-term significance, and by pageviews (see [1]). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:24, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as is, while the title is, without a doubt, the primary topic in French, it is probably not the primary topic in English. Running a quick web search, once you get past dictionary definitions, "how to speak French" entries, and encyclopedias, a perfume comes up first, with also some entries about the 1966 film, the magazine, and articles about the French word that are not merely dictionary definitions. Based on this, there is no primary topic and the current arrangement is correct. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 17:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The purported article on the 'title' is little more than a dictionary definition. The page views for the title page vs. other articles is not overwhelming. Clickstream data might give better evidence if someone knows how to wrangle it. olderwiser 18:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The clickstream shows how many times a link has been followed from one article to another. The data for the dab page for March is:
Mademoiselle_(title) link 268
Mademoiselle_(magazine) link 38
Mademoiselle_(1966_film) link 29
For comparison, the data for January 2019:
Mademoiselle_(title) link 622
Mademoiselle_(magazine) link 57
Mademoiselle_(2001_film) link 39
Mademoiselle_(1966_film) link 36
Demoiselle link 24
Miss link 24
Madam other 14
List_of_Revelation_Space_characters link 11
Links with fewer than 10 clicks per month do not make it into the dataset. – Uanfala (talk) 14:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.