Talk:Macross Frontier

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Whoever wrote the "Antagonists" and "reatures, Fighters and Ships of the Vajra" writes like a child. Somebody sort it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.90.181 (talk) 18:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Old material

Itemized material originally on the article. Launch of first episode renders data outdated - yet still relevant for reference purposes. KyuuA4 (talk) 08:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Trailers

A promotion video "Macross 25th Anniv.: Macross F (仮)" was released by Bandai Visual on its website on November 13, 2007.

A second teaser was released on early December in order to promote the upcoming December 23rd, Special Program.

Official website launch

The official website www.macrossf.com was opened on December 10, 2007 and MBS launched the production site on December as well.

Macross 25th Anniversary Special Program

A 50-minute Special Program (祝25周年!あのマクロスが帰ってくるぞSP!!) was broadcasted on MBS and TBS on December 23rd. It featured staff interviews, an introduction to the upcoming TV series, and the first episode..

References

Trivia Section

I'd remove this all-together but some of it can be useful for a write-up. KyuuA4 (talk) 03:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

• The overall design of the new S.M.S. VF-25 was inspired by that of the old U.N. Spacy VF-1 Valkyrie from the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross series.
• Other classic designs expected to appear in the upcoming series (according to the official site) are the Zentradi Quimeliquola "Quaedlunn-Rau" Female Power Armor & a variable S.M.S. VB-6 Köning "Monster" Destroid. All this mecha come from the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross series.
• The restaurant where Ranka Lee works at is called Nyan-Nyan. Coincidentally, the restaurant where Lynn Minmay works at before she became an idol, goes by the same name in the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross.
• The setting of the pilot episode's space battle (an asteroid belt near a Gas Gigant) is very similar to the classic battle at the Saturn rings from the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross series.
• In the final minutes of the pilot episode, Alto shoots at the enemy mecha to rescue Ranka while his appropriated Valkyrie is in Gerwalk mode, assuming the exact same pose (and camera angle) as the one Hikaru assumed when he first shot at an enemy, also using Gerwalk mode, to rescue Minmay in the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross.
• The ending song of the pilot episode, "Do you remember love?" was derived from the image song of Macross: Do You Remember Love?
• The scene where the students (or stunt pilots, as their role in the concert appears to be) raise their hands to the sky in imitation of a fighter jet flying, is a clear reference to a similar scene in Macross Plus where Isamu Alva Dyson performs more or less the same routine. Whether this is simply the producers giving a nod to the Macross Plus mini-series, or an in-story homage to Dyson's actions that saved Earth from the Sharon Apple AI, is unknown.
• Sheryl Nome's intro phrase "Listen to my song!!" or "Watashi no uta wo kike!!" in Japanese (私の唄を聴け!!) during the concert, is very similar to Basara Nekki's (Macross 7 protagonist) catch phrase "Ore no uta wo kike!!" (俺の唄を聴け!!) before he sings.
• The N.U.N.S. VF-171 is based on the U.N. Spacy's VF-17 Nightmare from Macross 7.
• The enemy alien bio mechas, which are called "Vajra"(バジュラ) in the official site, have several spiral markings like those that appeared in Macross Zero.
• Singer Sheryl Nome shares the same last name of two of the main characters from Macross Zero

Factoids

• The overall design of the new S.M.S. VF-25 was inspired by that of the old U.N. Spacy VF-1 Valkyrie from the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross series.
• Other re-imagined classic designs that have appeared in the new series are the Zentradi Quimeliquola "Quaedlunn-Rau" Female Power Armor & the variable S.M.S. VB-6 Köning "Monster" Destroid. All this mecha come from the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross series.
• The restaurant where Ranka Lee works at is called Nyan-Nyan. Coincidentally, the restaurant where Lynn Minmay works at before she became an idol, goes by the same name in the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross.
• The setting of the pilot episode's space battle (an asteroid belt near a Gas Gigant) is very similar to the classic battle at the Saturn rings from the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross series.
• In the final minutes of the pilot episode, Alto shoots at the enemy mecha to rescue Ranka while his appropriated Valkyrie is in Gerwalk mode, assuming the exact same pose (and camera angle) as the one Hikaru assumed when he first shot at an enemy, also using Gerwalk mode, to rescue Minmay in the original Super Dimensional Fortress Macross.
• The ending song of the pilot episode, "Do you remember love?" was derived from the image song of Macross: Do You Remember Love?
• The scene where the students (or stunt pilots, as their role in the concert appears to be) raise their hands to the sky in imitation of a fighter jet flying, is a clear reference to a similar scene in Macross Plus where Isamu Alva Dyson performs more or less the same routine. Whether this is simply the producers giving a nod to the Macross Plus mini-series, or an in-story homage to Dyson's actions that saved Earth from the Sharon Apple AI, is unknown.
• Sheryl Nome's intro phrase "Listen to my song!!" or "Watashi no uta wo kike!!" in Japanese (私の唄を聴け!!) during the concert, is very similar to Basara Nekki's (Macross 7 protagonist) catch phrase "Ore no uta wo kike!!" (俺の唄を聴け!!) before he sings.
• The N.U.N.S. VF-171 is based on the U.N. Spacy's VF-17 Nightmare from Macross 7.
• The enemy alien bio mechas, which are called "Vajra"(バジュラ) in the official site, have several spiral markings like those that appeared in Macross Zero.
• Singer Sheryl Nome shares the same last name of two of the main characters from Macross Zero

Manga

Why no information of Macross F manga? All I know is that it started its serialization in February.. no information on whether it is the adaptation of this anime, or the series is the adaptation of the manga. --staka (T ・C) 17:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed Macross II related links... Changed to the correct Macross related ones

Macross II didn't occur in the MACROSS FRONTIER universe. The term Zentran was used in DYRL as an alternate name for the male Zentradis, while Meltran was also used to name the Meltrandi female alien warriors. The Marduk have nothing to do with the MACROSS FRONTIER continuity... Kronnang Dunn (talk) 20:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Use of & vs. "and"

Yes this is a quibbling point, but someone or some people have been using & as a shortcut to writing "and". It's just 2 more letters to type and this is supposed to be encyclopedic content. Please avoid using shortcuts like these unless it's part of an actual name or the like. --BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 16:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Episode count

I accidentally marked it as a minor edit, but I updated the listed episode count from "13 scheduled" to 25. The latest news post on the official site links to information about the shows DVD/Blu-Ray release schedule, which is nine volumes - with one episode on the first and three on the following eight. Midshift (talk) 09:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Added the next 3 episode names. Got it from Macross World forums http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=25811&st=180&start=180 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.41.254 (talk) 16:53, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The Official Name of the VF-25 has been published...

According to an article in the recently released June 2008 Issue of Kadokawa Shoten's Newtype magazine called "The Official Art of Macross Frontier", the official name of the VF-25 is "Messiah" (メサイア), a reference to the song "Shao Pai Long" from The Super Dimension Fortress Macross.

Kronnang Dunn (talk) 23:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Johanne is the name of one of Luca's pet Ghost Drones...

Johanne is not the name of Luca's variable fighter, but one of his 3 pet Ghost Drones (which appeared in episode 7, "First Attack").

Kronnang Dunn (talk) 23:19, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Ranka's Past

Episode 4 states that Ranka was the only survivor of the attack on the 117th fleet, not "one of the few". Could someone confirm this and make the necessary adjustments? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.136.10.190 (talk) 16:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Episode 5 clearly shows a number of individuals who are addressed as survivors of the 117th fleet (Ranka isn't present in the scene, though Ozma is). So presumeably the comment about Ranka being the sole survivor was either a writer error... or more likely a mistake on the part of whichever translator you used (assuming that you don't speak Japanese yourself) for the dialogue. --Junior612 (talk) 00:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Theme Songs/Soundtrack section

I think the recently retitled "Soundtrack" section could use some better organization. It seems the data can be better presented using more WP:STYLE friendly markup, or possibly a table. I have not seen the deculture edition, but the article as is seems to imply that the music for that edition is different from that of the first episode of the regular series run. Regardless, I think dividing it into two separate subcategories is unnessisary, the preview can just be treated as another episode. If the music is different, then perhaps this should be explicitly mentioned.

OK, on review, only one track was not redundant, so I squished it together. Fixed the formatting a bit too. I think it looks quite a bit better. -Verdatum (talk) 17:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for making it better and better. Since there're new releases coming, many of us have contributed within the short period of time... But with different people with different opinions, translations and styles (and I'm certain most of us aren't purposely vandalizing), can we try to make it more "uniform"? I mean, for example, take a look on other anime series like Gundam, it looks more "refined" and "uniform". What do you think? Thank you. (Howardchu (talk) 19:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

Cleanup

This article looks like it could use a large amount of cleanup, such as moving the characters to their own page, List of Macross Frontier characters, the songs in a proper table, the episodes moved to List of Macross Frontier episodes and a few other minor fixes. I will start working on it, but would welcome other ideas ~Cr∞nium 18:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

S.M.S. stands for STRATEGIC MILITARY SERVICES...

The last issue of Hobby Japan shows that S.M.S. stands for STRATEGIC MILITARY SEVICES...

The first NUNS VF destroyed in episode 1...

The first NUNS VF destroyed in episode 1 was a VF-171, which is a new version of the VF-17. Is NOT just a VF-17...

Read the last part of the VF-17 article for more information about it...

Kronnang Dunn (talk) 23:17, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Howard Glass is the President of the whole New United Nations Goverment...

According to the official japanese site Howard Glass is not only the president of the Macross Frontier colony, he is in fact the president of the whole New United Nations Government and also the administrative director of the Macross Frontier fleet.

Kronnang Dunn (talk) 23:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

define DECULTURE

ive been wondering this for a while, anyone care to enlighten me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Murakumo-Elite (talk • contribs) 05:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Madness or chaos perhaps? --68.32.187.152 (talk) 23:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Unthinkable! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.147.182.181 (talk) 21:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

General statement of disbelief or suprise. It can be used both positively and negatively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.102.90.181 (talk) 18:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, "deculture" if treated as an English word (and the term is ultimately English even as used in the series in Japanese versions), refers to the disintegration of separating ideals. The "de" meaning "loss of" in the verb form, and culture, means that it roughly translates to "the loss of culture". This makes sense, since "deculture" was so important in this series in ending the human/Zentraedi war - it made both sides forget their differences (human culture versus Protoculture, etc), and celebrate their similarities (common genetics, the ability to love each other and produce offspring) instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.235.188.47 (talk) 00:31, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Series Finale will air in October 16...

This sets the number of episodes to 28. Will make the proper corrections... Kronnang Dunn (talk) 06:12, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

If you do that by counting the number of weeks to decide the total number of episodes, it might be wrong. Furthermore, there has not been any official announcement saying that it will contain 28 episodes. On certain weeks, episodes may not air due to particular events to drag a pre certain anime to last longer. I propose to leave the number of episodes blank first. From most sources, it is largely popular that the number of episodes will be 25, this being the 25th anniversary of the first Macross series, hence it will contain 25 episodes to mark this event. However, even this is not official, so please leave it blank first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1qwf (talk • contribs) 15:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The 25th anniversary of the franchise was LAST YEAR (2007), and still the official site has 28 slots for its episode listing. After carefully counting the number of weeks the episode count is still 28, so I will just leave it that way... Kronnang Dunn (talk) 12:31, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The official site does not have "slots"--that's just an assumption that the episode listing will form an INVISIBLE grid of 4x7 buttons. That's speculation, and speculation doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Please stop adding assumptions to Wikipedia. 1-54-24 (talk) 05:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

The Japanese wikipedia article lists 25 episodes, based on a news article [2]that lists 25 planned episodes. I will make the change, since this is the only actual episode count that is listed in a reputable source so far. 1-54-24 (talk) 05:45, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Additionally, this page [3] has listed the dvd/blu-ray release schedule of the show for a number of months, and explicitly lists it as 25 episodes. This was linked from the offical webpage [4] on the 25th of April. Midshift (talk) 06:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Movement of various Macross Frontier categories under terminology

I have moved the huge elaborated chunk of terms and technology to a page under Terminology. This is to allow easy navigation of the main page. It is too cluttered with those mecha terms which are not necessary for a brief descriptive article. Note that wikipedia should not provide fictitious facts to this extent of elaboration. It exist as an encyclopedia for general information. Visit this WP:NOTGUIDE 1qwf (talk) 07:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

All that VF: Perhaps it should be mentioned that the two versions of the All that VF promotional video featured not just the lack of the water in the Macross Zero version, but that the desert mountains in which the air show takes place in the Frontier version is in fact identical to the background in a scene in Macross Plus where Isamu first takes the YF-19 over New Edwards Air Force Base on New Eden. Moreover, when the two VF-25's split vertically and a squadron passes through, they form the same symbol as the one Misa discovered on the protoculture city in DYRL, as well as the orbiting structure seen in Macross Frontier episode 22.

Assurance13 (talk) 02:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I think the Macross Galaxy Tour concert Blu-ray and DVD needs to be mentioned somewhere on here! It's awesome :) Jerryku (talk) 07:46, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Merge of VF-25 Messiah article with main page of Macross Frontier

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

No consensus to merge. WTF? (talk) 13:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

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Someone as enacted a merge request for VF-25 Messiah article with main page of Macross Frontier. I am against this, technolony related & other detail background info has been sent over to the List of Macross Frontier terminology. I think if has to be merged, it should be tossed over there and not muck up the main info page for Frontier. -- Colt9033 (talk) 11:32, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

It *does* need cleanup/rewriting, but considering how just about every other VF in the Macross franchise has its own page, I'm for keeping it separate. 69.121.149.107 (talk) 01:49, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, let me remove the merge of the VF-25 template from Macross Frontier page and put clean up on VF-25 page instead. -- Colt9033 (talk) 12:57, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

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Macross Frontier, starring a Wikipedia entry

Would there be an appropriate place to mention that the English description of a kabuki play that characters view on a computer screen in one episode was lifted verbatim from the English-language Wikipedia entry on said play? It seems like a noteworthy enough piece of information that it ought to be included somewhere. —Robotech_Master (talk) 08:28, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Coverage

• ANN: Brain Diving column

--KrebMarkt (talk) 09:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

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