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Proposed merger

Machida Station (JR East) and the proposed annexation.--Nishi-Kyo (talk) 11:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What is the reason for the proposed merge? Both articles seem quite large and therefore best served as separate articles. --DAJF (talk) 00:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Different. This is the same article. Japanese version of integration are done.--Nishi-Kyo (talk) 08:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you think it is better to integrate the articles? Merging articles is a serious action. We cannot merge articles for two separate subjects based on a mere fact that Wikipedia in another language has an integrated article for these two subjects. --Sushiya (talk) 11:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. What other station has separate articles for every line/company? Also, I don't agree with the statement "[b]oth articles seem quite large" 210.154.111.178 (talk) 15:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. armagebedar (talk) 05:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merger cancelled. For the question "What other station has separate articles for every line/company?" there are several examples including Asakusa Station, Ōmachi Station, Ino Station, Takarazuka Station, Nakatsu Station and Amagasaki Station. --Sushiya (talk) 15:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I disagree. See Shinjuku Station, Shibuya Station, Shimo-Kitazawa Station, Yokohama Station, etc. Plus, the stations have the exact same name and are treated as the same station on railway maps. For another, there is not enough information on each page to support separate articles, hence the merge. Plus there is the issue of listing bus transfer information, surrounding area information, etc. -- all of this would be duplicated with separate articles.

As for your examples: while I agree with Ōmachi Station being two articles since the stations are physically distant and have different names; the two Asakusa stations and the two Nakatsu stations are not physically connected and are geographically quite distant, thus they also are fine as separate articles. However, your other examples should be merged, in my opinion. I believe following the ja Wikipedia on this would make the most sense and keep needless duplication to a minimum. We obviously need some kind of standard here to prevent this sort of thing in the future; I look forward to opinions from other users concerning this issue. armagebedar (talk) 03:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, WP:MOS-JP notes:"Stations on private lines that have the same name as other train or subway stations in the same prefecture are disambiguated as Z Station (PrivateCo). For example, there are two stations named Asakusa Station both located in Asakusa, Tokyo. One is an interchange station for 3 different train companies and one is a smaller station for the Tsukuba Express. As a default, the major station would be Asakusa Station, while the Tsukuba Express station is Asakusa Station (Tsukuba Express)." In this case, Machida Station is an interchange station for Odakyu and JR East, and there should be a single article reflecting that. We don't split Asakusa Station up into separate articles for Tokyo Metro and Tobu, do we? armagebedar (talk) 03:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While such stations often occupy the same building, they are operated separately by the individual companies and therefore should remain as separate articles. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't have a strong opinion either way in favour of having separate articles or a single combined article, I think this particular case could be a grey area, as my understanding (not having actually passed through this station) is that the stations here are not physically connected, unlike other interchange stations which are essentially housed in the same building. Still, combining the two into one article would seem to be a tidier solution, and I would recommend using separate infoboxes for the separate operating companies, as used in Kawagoe Station, and as more widely used in Japanese Wikipedia station articles. --DAJF (talk) 05:00, 21 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nihonjoe: then what about Asakusa Station (Tokyo Metro, Toei, Tobu)? There are three separate companies operating in three physically distinct stations, yet they share a page by virtue of: a) having the same name, and b) being in close physical proximity. As DAJF says, uniting these (and other similar) articles into single pages would be tidier and improve the usability of WP:TIJ articles. armagebedar (talk) 00:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your arguments make no sense. Having one article is not necessarily going to be tidier than having three, and having one article won't improve the usability of the articles. Those attributes are not directly related. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:23, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree -- it makes no sense to split up a station into separate articles if there is no good reason to do so (different companies operating a station in very close proximity is not a good reason, IMO). My point is that there is currently no standard for determining how we structure these kinds articles. I have yet to see a valid argument from you other than "they are operated separately by the individual companies and therefore should remain as separate articles", which is not a very compelling one when the vast majority of articles that clearly violate that. I agree with DAJF that we should look to the Japanese Wikipedia for guidance on this issue, otherwise we will have a mess on our hands. armagebedar (talk) 06:06, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No one would agree "to split up a station," but this is not such a case in my opinion. There are two stations with their own operators, buildings and histories. Their names were also different until 1980. However, as a principle of Wikipedia, one article may cover more than one topics if there is a good reason. --Sushiya (talk) 15:17, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep separate. First, yes, the two stations share the same name but this is relatively recent. The JR one was known as Haramachida for years. Second, the two stations are completely and utterly separated physically. Track numbering is not contiguous and you need to pass through two, not just one, ticket gates to transfer. Third, the history of each of the two stations is different and they have nothing in common. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 09:02, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]