Talk:macOS Catalina

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release date in lead

Why does the lead say "between September and November of 2019" and not simply "October 2019"? — Fourthords | =Λ= | 20:10, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Because nobody's updated it since the special event. I'll do that. Guy Harris (talk) 20:22, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Python 3.8

Why does the page claim Python 3.8 will be shipped with macOS Catalina and it will be marked as deprecated? It looks like Python 2.7 support is deprecated, and I don't see any evidence that Python 3.8 will be shipped.--81.30.41.113 (talk) 11:10, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

All bugs

No mention of the fact that Catalina is the first release of macOS to consist solely of bugs? I would have thought that noteworthy. 121.98.52.68 (talk) 21:42, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

And not even a section on this Wikipedia article called "Reception" like in the others; probably because Apple has become a laughing stock with the tech world and general consumers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.160.236.29 (talk) 22:05, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Distinction of System [N] versus OS X versus MacOS

Re: the revert, I get that there is a distinction in codebase, architecture, and functionality, but all three are Macintosh operating systems. Without mention of this, the statement informs the newcomer using language suggesting that Oceania has always used MacOS. Your revert explanation text makes a similar point to mine, perhaps it could be used. I guess I don't think it's preferable to just not mention pre-OS X releases. What about "Catalina is the 16th release of MacOS, itself the third series of Macintosh OSes." Or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daharon (talk • contribs) 12:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

All three? "OS X" and "macOS" are just two names for the same operating system - which originally had a third name, "Mac OS X".

(There was never a release that Apple's marketing department dubbed "MacOS" - the first letter is lower case, just as it is for "iOS" and "tvOS" and "watchOS" and "iPadOS", presumably because the marketing department's goal was to emphasize the connection between all the Darwin-based OSes they offer. The original name, "Mac OS X", with a space between "Mac" and "OS", presumably to let users think of it as continuing from Mac OS 9, even though the code base was completely different, i.e. to emphasize the connection between the previous OS they offered as the main OS for Macs and the new one they were offering.)

At most, what might be useful is "XXX is the Nth release of macOS (formerly Mac OS X and OS X)" for the "OPENSTEP NG" releases dubbed "macOS" by Apple's marketing department, "XXX is the Nth release of OS X (formerly Mac OS X, now macOS)" for the "OPENSTEP NG" releases dubbed "OS X" by Apple's marketing department, and "XXX is the Nth release of Mac OS X (later OS X, now macOS)" for the "OPENSTEP NG" releases dubbed "Mac OS X" by Apple's marketing department.

I really don't see much point in talking about the other OS, the classic Mac OS, here. Windows 10, for example, doesn't say anything about the "Windows 9x" line that preceded Windows NT. The Windows NT page does talk about the earlier versions of Windows, just as the macOS page refers to the classic Mac OS, speaking of macOS as "the second major series of Macintosh operating systems" (second, not third). I think that suffices. Guy Harris (talk) 18:33, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Removal of Security section

This edit removed the Security section, which I added a few months ago. Per WP:BRD, I'm bringing it here for discussion. @Yacky Games and timers TV could you explain what problems you think the section had? Thanks DFlhb (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Third party Applications compatibility

As I was about to upgrade a Mac from Mojave to Catalina, I realised it still had Adobe Creative Suite 6 installed. Proceeding with the installation would have rendered it useless so I stopped. While maintaning legacy hardware and software operational is a niche target audience, I think it might be useful to include this info in the Removed or changed components section. SanGatiche (talk) 19:14, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

To which info are you referring? The fact that Adobe CS6, in particular, won't run on Catalina? Or something more general than that?

And macOS Catalina § Removed or changed components is about changes Apple made in Catalina. Unless the problem is due to CS6 having only 32-bit components for macOS, in which case the problem isn't "CS6 won't work", the problem is "32-bit applications won't work", which is mentioned in the first paragraph of that section, or due to some other API being removed, in which case that API should be mentioned there as well, it's not clear why information about specific programs that fail to work belong there. Guy Harris (talk) 19:48, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

I am referring to the fact Adobe CS6 won't run in Catalina. As to the reason why, I cannot assure it's only due to dropped support for 32-bit applications as there might be other underlying causes so it wouldn't be correct to add it to said section.

CS6 is surely not the only software that stopped working though, but making a list would probably be too much.

So would it be of general interest to add such info as a comment in a new section, maybe? Or what would be the appropriate way to include it, if it's allowed at all? SanGatiche (talk) 17:24, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it would be of general interest to specifically mention Adobe CS6; what's so special about it?

Also, please note WP:NOTHOWTO. Guy Harris (talk) 18:01, 23 February 2024 (UTC)