Talk:MV Mark W. Barker

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✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 16:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh what a boat

It’s a big big boat for sure 107.4.249.236 (talk) 00:27, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

M/V on vessels.

M/V is apart of the ships name. All the other vessels have them on wiki, and I am going off the shipping companies website for accuracy. http://www.interlake-steamship.com/fleet/view/mark-w-barker Brotherbenz (talk) 01:07, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are all examples of the M/V's on pages

Per WP:NC-SHIPS, which I told you to read -

The first sentence of (any) article should use the article title, set in bold face, early in the sentence to establish context. If the title has a parenthetical disambiguator, year of launch or a pennant number, the disambiguator should be omitted. In the case of ships, set all elements of the name in bold face; italicize the ship's name. U.S. hull numbers should be retained in bold; for example, HMS Ark Royal, USS Enterprise (CV-6).

and what a ship prefix is per the article. Prefixes are not part of the name, they only explain what type of ship it is MV meaning motor ship. And for article consistency here, we do not use the M/V, we use MV like in the article title. Llammakey (talk) 01:26, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm I sure se a M/V on there.. MV (M/V)Motor Vessel (interchangeable with MS) Brotherbenz (talk) 01:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is interchangeable, but in all the links you gave, did you see an M/V? If you look at any of the article titles is there an M/V? Do you see any U.S.S. or H.M.S. or M.S. or M/T or S/Y or any other articles with those prefixes? Why is this page so special? I mean since we are going with the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. The worst part of your argument is that in the hyperlink you keep posting, the name of the ship given is Mark W. Barker. The picture on the webpage, painted on the side of the ship is just Mark W. Barker. The webpage itself does not italicize the M/V part, but the rest of the name. Every mention of the ship further down the article is just Mark W. Barker. Llammakey (talk) 01:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I do see a M/V. M/V H. Lee White is a diesel-powered Lake freighter owned and operated by the American Steamship Company

M/V Sam Laud is a diesel-powered Lake freighter owned and operated by the American Steamship Company.

http://www.interlake-steamship.com/fleet/view/mark-w-barker Even on their website.

M/V Mark W. Barker

The first Great Lakes bulk carrier to be built on the Great Lakes in more than 35 years, M/V Mark W. Barker is also the first new build for Interlake since 1981.

This highly versatile River-Class vessel highlights Interlake’s long-term commitment to corporate social responsibility and sustainability.

All aspects of the vessel have been designed to ensure that it will have a low environmental impact to the Great Lakes and to those who work aboard.

Seems like you are dead set on it not being the proper name. There are other pages with the M/V's. So because on the side of the ship says Mark W. Barker it should be just that. Brotherbenz (talk) 01:46, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ship prefixes are not part of the vessel's name; this is a very common misconception. The reason we use MV instead of M/V is technical; look up at the url of this page, and tell me what would happen if the article was titled M/V)_Mark_W._Barker. And because we want things to appear consistently, we do not use the slash in prose either.

There are situations where companies append an acronym to the names of their ships (MOL Triumph, for example), which are part of their names, but those also aren't prefixes. Parsecboy (talk) 13:04, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are also cases where part of the ship's name appear to be a prefix but actually is not (e.g. RCGS Resolute); this can be confirmed from e.g. Equasis or other similar database. Anyway, as a rule of thumb a generic prefix like MV should be used in article body only if it serves some purpose other than identifying the ship as a ship (we can use italics for that). Tupsumato (talk) 14:04, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]