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Good articleMS West Grama has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
September 29, 2008Good article nomineeListed
Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 25, 2008.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that American cargo ship MS West Grama (pictured), while in the service of the U.S. Navy in 1919, was the first American-flagged ship to enter Bulgarian waters?

GA Review

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Hello! I'll have the review up as soon as I can. —the_ed17— 04:54, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    only one. =)
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
  • Any cite needed for the "sometimes spelled as West Gramma"? I dunno, which is why I'm asking. (You've done enough article on these bloody cargo ships to know!)
    • One or two of the news items spelled the name with two ms. It wouldn't be a major thing to remove it, but I do have a redirect under the West Gramma spelling
      • Eh, no big deal...how about adding a note that says x, y, & z refer to the ship as the West Gramma, while p, q, & r sefer to the ship as the West Grama.
  • citation for this sentence (is it even needed?)?
    • "The West ships were cargo ships of similar size and design built by several shipyards on the West Coast of the United States for the United States Shipping Board (USSB) for emergency use during World War I."
      • The Crowell & Wilson ref [7] covers it, but I added an extra ref to make it more clear.
  • Slightly confusing...why is it "not clear" if the bid was accepted?
    • "The highest bid for West Grama was $80,000,[27][Note 4] but it is not clear if the bid was, in fact, accepted; by November, West Grama was sailing between Antofagasta, Chile, and New York, but remained under the American flag."
      • Of the ships listed in the source, all but West Grama changed names and sailed under British registry. Because West Grama continued to sail under American registry, it doesn't seem likely at all that she was sold, especially since the bid for her was way low compared to the other ships offered. It's also possible she was sold and in such poor shape she was returned. Can you suggest wording that might help get that idea across in a non-OR-ish way? — Bellhalla (talk) 15:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Just say that! Sure, it's borderline OR, but its also part common sense if all of the other ships sailed under British registry...
        • I'd go with "Her nineteen (right #?) sisters were sold, renamed, and flagged as British. However, West Grama kept her name and U.S. flag, and so it is not entirely clear if she was sold."
        • Borderline OR, sure, but I don't think that we'll need a source if we are saying that we are not sure. Regardless, a little thing like this isn't going to hold up the GA nomination. —the_ed17— 17:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll put this on hold; with your track record, this'll be done quickly. I should just fail it and try to torpedo your chances on the WP:MILHIST contest, but I'll be nice. ;D Cheers! —the_ed17— 05:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Passing now! —the_ed17— 17:15, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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