Talk:MLS Cup 2010

MLS Cup 2010 was a Sports and recreation good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Stop saying this is for the season champion.

This is the finals for the PLAYOFFS. P-L-A-Y-O-F-F-S. The regular season winner goes to the MLS Supporters' Shield WHICH is awarded by the MLS. Until you realize this, I will continue to change it to its CORRECT state. 72.219.227.230 (talk) 23:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I trust you have a source for this sentiment of yours, because every reference by MLS is that the MLS Cup is the league championship, not the playoff championship. But hey, thanks for confirming that you are not interested in discussing things as required by Wikipedia's guidelines. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 03:59, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have never heard the MLS Cup described as the Playoff Championship Trophy and agree that such an unusual description deserves a reference if it's going to be included. JohnInDC (talk) 04:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that tt is the season championship. The US is not England and the playoffs are not the FA Cup.Cptnono (talk) 07:04, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Cup final is the final match of the playoffs, but as far as I've read, it's considered to be the championship match for the season altogether. Unless there's something stating that is not, the current format seems fine to me. Twwalter (talk) 21:50, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I'd like to add this point of reference from Major League Soccer's website, recapping the match. Below is an excerpt:

"TORONTO – Colorado Rapids, welcome to Major League Soccer royalty. After 15 seasons spent watching other league
original franchises carve their identities with success and silverware, Denver’s team is finally a league champion."[Source]

Further discussion here. JohnInDC (talk) 13:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Event section

I added an event section saying this is part of the MLS Playoffs. Please do not say it is part of the regular season. Twwalter (talk) 19:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop trying to make the assertion that it is a separate competition. It has been explained to you by multiple editors and this is becoming tiresome. Anyways, it is an event unto itself so this isn't needed. Cptnono (talk) 21:05, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Why wouldn't we say the MLS Cup Final is part of the MLS Cup Playoffs? Quidster4040 (talk) 15:56, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it is. It's their culmination. But the playoffs and final MLS Cup match are the way in which MLS determines its champion for the year. As with virtually all other major league sports in the US, the regular season is just an extended winnowing period for the championship run. There aren't separate "playoff" (i.e, "cup") and regular season champions. Just the one. It's sort of stupid, in that the team with the best regular season record (and thus presumably the "best" team) can fall out of this championship run early in the process and have no championship to show for its performance, but that's the way it works here. In MLS that team is awarded the Supporters' Shield in recognition of their regular season performance, but it's just a trophy, not a championship. The problem with the edit described above is the implication that the winner of the MLS Cup is "just" the playoff champion, or that the Cup is some kind of special, playoff-only championship. JohnInDC (talk) 16:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So in that case, should the event say "2010 MLS season"? Or is it better just not adding an event section? 72.219.227.230 (talk) 15:11, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think a seven month season can really be described as an "event". I'd leave it out altogether. JohnInDC (talk) 15:23, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, understood. Gotta love MLS' mockery of other leagues. Oh well, just depends on the fans perspective. 72.219.227.230 (talk) 02:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we can hope the day will come. Personally I think it's a minor miracle that the league has lasted as long as it has - all the while managing to keep goal size at the international standard and not allow for TV time outs! JohnInDC (talk) 02:50, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Flags?

I know for other cup finals they have flags of the province or state the team hails from. Do you think we could try that? Add a Texas flag for FCD and a Colorado flag above the Rapids? Minor thought. Quidster4040 (talk) 15:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

State flags isn't how MLS denotes its teams. At most they have the US or Canadian flag and I've never seen them use the flags in association with the team names. At most they have the flag on the sleeve of their jerseys. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 17:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So, in that aspect, it'd would be redundant. Quidster4040 (talk) 02:48, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The use of flags for players and referees in this article is not in compliance with WP:FLAG. If it is ever taken through WP:GA or WP:FA review, this will need to be addressed. The use of flags in the "International telecasts" section however, is appropriate and well done. --SkotyWA^T_C 17:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Best MLS Cup article so far

I spent a few minutes looking through this article and past MLS Cup artiles. This one appears to be the most complete MLS Cup article thus far. I encourage the regular editors of this article to consider nominating it for good article review. While it's likely that a number of suggestions/adjustments will be made through that process, it would be great to see more articles related to MLS moved up the quality spectrum. Obviously the stretch goal after WP:GA would be to reach as far as featured article nomination. Overall, I think this article is already very close to good article level and I encourage the regular editors here to submit it for GA review if they feel so inclined. --SkotyWA^T_C 18:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I could help add some more citations, especially to analysis and TV ratings. Quidster4040 (talk) 01:54, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:MLS Cup 2010/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Arsenikk ^(talk) 12:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My main concern with this article is that it is largely unreferenced, and many of those references that are in place, are not properly formatted. I would recommend that you read through Wikipedia:Citing sources; using Wikipedia as a reference it absolutely not acceptable.

Other comments

The first sentence needs to make of the 'MLS' de-acronmymed to 'Major League Soccer'.
'Toronto' overlinked in the lead.
The lead is filled with undue detail; for instance quite a bit is talked about two Western Conference teams meeting etc, but the lead fails to explain how the two teams qualified for the match.
"Pre-match" and "Post-match" are not proper nouns, and thus capitalized with a small 'm'.
Standarize "For more details on this topic, see.." with {{main}}.
How did Dallas qualify for the playoffs (i.e. how did they finish in the league?)
Scores are written with an endash (–), not a hyphen (-).
Don't link month and years.
'Most importantly' is not particularly encyclopedic.
Don't abbreviate months.
Mention the stadium, not just the city.
'1080i high definition' needs to be linked
There is a stray sentence: "as sideline reporters."
"1.4" what? million? if so, state it.
Don't link years. Linking '1999' to 'MLS Cup 1999' is fine, though.
What does "0.5 television rating" mean? Is is something that is easy to explain, and could it please be linked.
Don't make single-sentence paragraphs.
International broadcasting should probably be organized as a sortable table. Countries should not be bolded.
The analysis section has some severe shortcomings. Never use terms like "by many" and "by some"; instead link it to particular people with high influence, such as analysts for major networks or newspapers.
It seems like the match itself takes up very little of the article. For instance:
- Where there any injuries causing key players to not play?
- Similarly, were any regulars swapped with other players of other reasons?
- Any reason Gonçalves was replaced as early as after 34 minutes?
- What were the situations leading to the yellow cards?
It is not clear who "George John cross to David Ferreria" play for.
Was the Ferreria winning the MVP award actually announced during the play of the game?
'Kevin Hartman' needs linking'.
Don't use all-caps for the team names.
Don't force image sizes. There is no need to make the image of the stadium any larger than regular.
All the see also links are in the navbox, so they shouldn't be under see also.

I am placing the article on hold, under doubt. There is a lot to work on, including large parts which lack references. Arsenikk ^(talk) 12:51, 14 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have begun to make the minor revisions and add several more references to the article. Thank you for the pointers. Quidster4040 (talk) 01:20, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article has been on review for more than a week now; although some work has been done, there is still quite a bit to do. I'm am going to fail the article—once the list above has been seen to, feel free to re-nominate the article at GA. As it stands, it is still significantly below GA standards, particularly regarding the referencing. If there are any questions about the article, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page; I will also keep the talk page on my watchlist. Arsenikk ^(talk) 13:16, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the formatting of all of the citations through the Venue Selection section. I did not look for duplicates. ~ Fopam (talk) 21:25, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"With the cup title, Colorado Rapids became the first Coloradan club to win any cup or league championship since the Colorado Avalanche won the Stanley Cup after the 2000-2001 NHL season."

2006 Mammoth? 2005 Crush?

You could trim it to "major" cup or league championship, but then including the Rapids would be problematic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.78.149.13 (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Post-match section

Uhh correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Frank Yallop the first British coach to win the MLS Cup? 72.225.242.221 (talk) 11:33, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yallop is Canadian. Twwalter (talk) 20:01, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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