Talk:MINX (band)

Around the time of this edit, any and all Wikipedia Minx content is being redirected into Dreamcatcher_(group).

Minx is sufficiently different from Dreamcatcher that it should be treated as a separate entity with its own collection of activities - including clear dissolution information for Minx.
Brief text references and Wikidata "follows/followed by" relationships can and should be used to observe that the Dreamcatcher group was formed after the failure of Minx, but the two should not simultaneously exist in only one Wikipedia article.
A number of music databases (Musicbrainz, Spotify, iTunes, Bugs!, Melon), as well as Happy Face Entertainment treat the two as separate entities.
This split might help "fix" the NLKR's authority file (see http://www.nl.go.kr/authorities/KAB201803119) and guide future authority files that might be created for either Dreamcatcher or Minx.

The intent is to...

Mirror the format of the Dreamcatcher page Dreamcatcher_(group),
Copy the MINX content from the Dreamcatcher page to this page,
Confirm with the Dreamcatcher page that transfer of Minx info to this page is sufficient
Finally, remove the unnecessary MINX content from the Dreamcatcher page.

Zherasonne (talk) 02:11, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstitution of this article has been halted until discussion about "content forking MINX from the Dreamcatcher article can be completed.

Zherasonne (talk) 22:11, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Correction - Wikipedia's definition of content fork suggests that the subject matter is identical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Content_forking). Dreamcatcher is not MINX, so I've used the wrong terminology.

This is a "content split". Zherasonne (talk) 22:20, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You assert there needs to be a content split. But for what reason? If all the members are from the same company and they reformed under a new name, then there is no real reason for a content split. They isn't more than two paragraphs for Minx content right now. Why would they be independently notable? Plenty of musical groups reform under new names plenty of times. Evaders99 (talk) 22:56, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for the late response. For the moment, I am willing to table this discussion about content splitting the page in the short term. My core issue was that Wikidata was treating the name "Minx" as being interchangeable or identical to "Dreamcatcher" by including it as a viable alternate name. Of course, it is trivial to prove that Minx is not Dreamcatcher (membership, themes, songs, composers, different copyright registration, the distinctions made by HF on their Youtube channel, how Bugs!, Melon, MusicBrainz, etc. other databases maintain separation of the two entities, etc.), but Wikipedia has very specific guidelines related to the notability of music entities that support the current consolidation approach for the Dreamcatcher article.

Unfortunately, I think a number of Wikidata editors made a mistake in believing that the Wikidata notability guidelines are identical to the notability guidelines for Wikipedia. I assert that those Wikidata editors used the consolidation practice for the Wikipedia Dreamcatcher page(s) as evidence to fill in "Minx" for the "also known as" relationships on the Dreamcatcher Wikidata page - claims that, as far as I know, do not have any sort of supporting documentation or references. Wikipedia and Wikidata may be closely coupled in some ways, but they have two very distinct and different missions - Wikipedia more for general encyclopedic reference and Wikidata for unique identification of things. Wikidata is actively used by other databases; maintaining the separation between Minx and Dreamcatcher is much more important there.

While the Dreamcatcher Wikidata page (https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20684822) has been appropriately corrected (with clear follows and followed-by relationships between it and a relatively recent Wikidata entry for Minx), the alias problem has impacted the ISNI database (http://isni.org/isni/000000046963292X) and the Korea Authority File (http://nl.go.kr/authorities/KAB201803119). Hopefully, those problems will get corrected over time.

Zherasonne (talk) 23:22, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can't say I know enough of Wikidata policies to know what should be done here. I'm against a content split on Wikipedia article as stated. Can you attach Wikidata to a redirected article such as Minx (band)? Someone more on the technical side might be able to answer this question better. Evaders99 (talk) 23:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]